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doc
05-02-2006, 06:06 AM
BEIJING, CHINA-- Bra producers have been forced to offer bigger cup-sizes in China because improved nutrition is busting all previous chest measurement records.

"It's so different from the past when most young women would wear A- or B-cup bras," Triumph brand saleswoman Zhang Jing told the Shanghai Daily from the Landmark Plaza of China's commercial hub.

"You...never expect those thin women to have such nice figures if they are not plastic."

The report, seen on the daily's Web site Tuesday, said that the Hong Kong-based lingerie firm Embry Group no longer produces A-cups for larger chest circumferences and has increased production of C-, D- and E-cup bras to meet pressing demand.

The Beijing Institute of Clothing Technology released a report last week saying the average chest circumference of Chinese women has risen by nearly 1 cm (0.4 inch) to 83.53 cm (32.89 inches) since the early 1990s, the daily said.

This phenomenon, it said, was due to women eating more nutritiously and taking part in more sport.

Similar growth in the average height of children prompted a rethink last year in Beijing on the height allowance for free bus rides.

Thank god for better nutrition.

blooming tianshi lotus
05-03-2006, 02:14 AM
more is good?? :hmmm: .

wow.. maybe I should enjoy some o that fun??

Firbolg
05-03-2006, 10:36 AM
Clear evidence that there is a god and he finally got his act together.. ;)

Or maybe its just evolution.


more is good??
More titties is always good.

blooming tianshi lotus
05-04-2006, 06:07 AM
So long as we're all evolving then.

zachsan
05-04-2006, 07:23 PM
Those are huge.

Lucky my boss wasn't standing behind me though.

blooming tianshi lotus
05-04-2006, 09:00 PM
Sweet jesus @ )..

If by mo0re titties you all mean that everyone should have some to share or play with then I couldn't I agree more .. I'm sure there are tenets about these things in nearly every belief system in the world, but with America having it's cosmetic surgery epidemic and the biggest national % of adult obesity in the world and Australia having the fattest babies in the world, if you guys are saying that biggest breasts are the goal.. and better nutrition means you end up with those bigger breasts.. well that's what you're saying.
yup..more more more. ..hmm..I wonder what the Farang and sugar daddies with the fat exes say about this???:hmmm:

Maestro
05-05-2006, 02:08 PM
just cause u eat alot doesnt mean you eat well, they said higher nutrition.

and in hong kong there were countless chinese gargantuans way bigger the me and im almost 6'2

LeiYunFat
05-06-2006, 06:57 AM
BL, don't be ridiculous. Everyone loves big titties. This isn't about Western oppression, tard.

Happeh
12-12-2006, 05:08 PM
"Bra producers have been forced to offer bigger cup-sizes in China because improved nutrition is busting all previous chest measurement records.

"It's so different from the past when most young women would wear A- or B-cup bras," Triumph brand saleswoman Zhang Jing told the Shanghai Daily from the Landmark Plaza of China's commercial hub.


This phenomenon, it said, was due to women eating more nutritiously and taking part in more sport. "


Baloney. It is because of the contamination of chinese culture by western crap.

The Chinese are forgetting about the old ways, or they think the old ways are stupid.

The changes are beginning to show themselves.

You ever notice how there are no more kung fu stars? Where is the Jet Li of today? Where is the Jackie Chan of today? Where is the Bruce Lee of today?

China does not make them anymore. They are chasing the dollar now instead of physical perfection.

zachsan
12-12-2006, 05:54 PM
I've just seen someone lament both the contamination of Chinese culture by the West, and the shortage of Chinese movie stars, in the same thought.

My life is complete.

arhat
12-12-2006, 05:55 PM
hmm, what I took away from this article is that it's a "pressing" demand.

doc
12-12-2006, 07:18 PM
It has nothing to do with the western cultural invasion and disruption of old Chinese values. You're all wrong.

Quite simply, this is a new approach to a very traditional Chinese concept. The provision of larger training pillows for "iron head" qi gong.

Arhat, I'm surprised. How you missed that, I'll never know.

Happeh
12-14-2006, 05:55 PM
It has nothing to do with the western cultural invasion and disruption of old Chinese values. You're all wrong.

Quite simply, this is a new approach to a very traditional Chinese concept. The provision of larger training pillows for "iron head" qi gong.

Arhat, I'm surprised. How you missed that, I'll never know.

People think I am joking because I say things that go against conventional wisdom. OK. Sometimes I do say things that are odd. I am human. I like to have fun.

This is not one of those times.

What else is getting bigger in china other than titties? Aren't the people themselves getting bigger?

Why?

You will hear westerners talk about better nutrition blah blah. They don't know squat so they talk alot to baffle people with baloney.

What does kung fu do to your body? Many kung fu styles are about compression are they not? You compress your body low to the ground in a low stance. What happens if you take something and compress it? It gets smaller.

Old Chinese women have small titties because the old Chinese kung fu knowledge they have and use daily compresses their bodies. Now that they are forgetting the old ways, they no longer experience this compressive force in their daily lives.

Without kung fu compressive force squeezing their bodies, their titties and their bodies are getting bigger.

It is really simple. Trivial. You just have to realize that most western science and claims is a bunch of boneheads guessing at things. Don't take it personal if you are a western medical person. It is not your fault your teachers filled your head with junk.

zachsan
12-14-2006, 11:20 PM
Oh, no. If we're going to nominate this guy for anything it should be for this (http://www.russbo.org/vb/showthread.php?t=3014):


I see lots of posts about physical facts. I think it is useful sometimes to forget about the facts and engage your mind on an imaginative or philosophical level.

doc
12-14-2006, 11:57 PM
Old Chinese women have small titties because the old Chinese kung fu knowledge they have and use daily compresses their bodies.

I love that. To the Quotes section. Such an honor.

Happeh
12-15-2006, 04:50 PM
Oh, no. If we're going to nominate this guy for anything it should be for this (http://www.russbo.org/vb/showthread.php?t=3014):

Let's see you say something meaningful. Children can through rocks.

Say something you disagree with. Point out an error. I am old and dying. I am kind of bitter. I have been dealing with blowhards interfering with me teaching people for years now.

I eat people like you for breakfast. If they have any courage. Usually, once I kick them to the curb publicly 2 or 3 times, they learn their lesson and run away, or they start up a campaign to get rid of me. What ever it takes to prevent me from exposing them as blowhards.

So trot out your knowledge. I want to tear it to shreds. I want to throw rocks at you like you are throwing at me.

zachsan
12-15-2006, 05:00 PM
Why? What's the point? I'm sure you're a smart guy, but I've done these things one too many times. I know that you're not going to understand my arguments, not because you're dumb but because you just don't want to, and you're going to walk away thinking that you "ate me for breakfast" whilst you made a fool out of yourself, and it's just not worth it anymore. I'm young and bitter.

If it helps, just bring out a picture of Jeff Buckley next to my name there and throw darts at it or something. But I'm going to keep making fun of you without explaining myself. Why? Because I'm an asshole. Deal with it.

baiwanxi
12-15-2006, 07:45 PM
I don't know if it's compression or better nutrition (I was damn supprised to see the amount of milk, yogurt, and ice cream these Chinese eat), but whatever it is thats producing Chinese girls with big tits, I LOVE IT !!! Thats like my dream come true !

Sh**, I slept with a prostitute a month ago that had some of the best big tits I've ever grabbed in my life. And they were totaly natural !!! I fact I chose her over the others because of her tits, and the bleach blond hair.

So now the Chinese girls are reaping the benifits of healthier bodies, bigger tits, and an increased income ! Due, in part, to me..

Yeah thats right, I said it. I slept with a Chinese whore. Wasn't the first time either. I don't care that you all know. You're mostly guys. And for the two girls out there, well, you're just gonna have to learn to look past that. I'm still a good guy ! Plus, I'm just workin on building up that "jing" !!! Ya know, borrow a little yang energy here and there, be a good Taoist and all that... Hahahahaha.

Damn, if anyone else heard me say I slept with prostitutes to build up my "jing", they'd throw me in a straight jacket and take me to the closest loony bin !!!

Only on Russbo

baiwanxi
12-15-2006, 08:27 PM
What the f*** does "Russbo" mean anyway ??? I've been wondering that since day one !

doc
12-15-2006, 10:22 PM
You're not worthy.

Yet.

Firbolg
12-16-2006, 10:20 AM
Yet another classic thread.. along with that *other (http://russbo.org/vb/showthread.php?t=1060)* one. :chuckle:

Happeh
01-23-2007, 03:51 AM
Why? What's the point? I'm sure you're a smart guy, but I've done these things one too many times. I know that you're not going to understand my arguments, not because you're dumb but because you just don't want to, and you're going to walk away thinking that you "ate me for breakfast" whilst you made a fool out of yourself, and it's just not worth it anymore. I'm young and bitter.

If it helps, just bring out a picture of Jeff Buckley next to my name there and throw darts at it or something. But I'm going to keep making fun of you without explaining myself. Why? Because I'm an asshole. Deal with it.

You certainly are an asshole. I agree with that statement. ;)

Happeh
01-23-2007, 03:54 AM
I love that. To the Quotes section. Such an honor.

For some reason I have been thinking of you and this thread for the past few days.

I stopped by to tell you I was serious. I wondered if you thought I was joking?

I keep wondering what kinds of things association with real shaolin guys teaches a person. Does it teach them why chinese women have small titties?

I never learned shaolin and I know why chinese women have small titties. I figured it out myself. I wonder if self teaching is superior to learning from experts in some ways?

zachsan
01-23-2007, 07:01 PM
I never learned shaolin and I know why chinese women have small titties. I figured it out myself. I wonder if self teaching is superior to learning from experts in some ways?
It's not looking good so far.


Old Chinese women have small titties because the old Chinese kung fu knowledge they have and use daily compresses their bodies.

michael289
01-25-2007, 04:58 AM
Wow. Maybe the best thread on the site! Kung fu knowledge related to titties. . . Freakin amazing! I just wish I could somehow be dragged into this conversation. I mean. . . damn. . .

doc
09-28-2007, 11:08 AM
Well, I guess that this news comes at a bad time...


China bans push-up bra advertisements
Officials have stopped 'saucy' ads ahead of a major Party meeting

Updated: 6:19 a.m. ET Sept. 28, 2007

BEIJING, China - Days after banning "sexually provocative sounds" on television, China has now stopped networks showing "saucy" adverts for push-up bras and figure-hugging underwear ahead of a major Communist Party meeting next month.

Other targets of the crackdown are "low-brow and base" commercials for sex toys and those featuring famous people or experts attesting to the efficacy of medicines, the State Administration of Radio, Film and Television said on its Web site on Friday.

"Every television advertisement management bureau and television station must strengthen their political consciousness and responsibility towards society," Tian Jin, deputy head of the regulator, was quoted as saying.

The order is the latest in a raft of measures which have included axing reality shows featuring sex changes and plastic surgery and banning talent contests during prime-time.

The media watchdog's edicts have reached fever pitch in recent weeks, ahead of a meeting of the 17th Party congress, a sensitive five-yearly meeting at which key national leaders are appointed and policy set for the next few years.

It earlier urged the country's increasingly freewheeling broadcasters to forgo vulgarity and bad taste in the pursuit of ratings in favor of providing "inspiring" content for the masses imbued with "socialist" values.

"Create a positive atmosphere for public opinion," the regulator cited state television head Zhao Huayong as telling his staff in preparation for the congress.

"Strictly adhere to propaganda requirements; do not rush to report, do not report impulsively, and make sure there are no mistakes from reports on any large events," Zhao added
msnbc

Fa Hui
09-29-2007, 05:11 AM
Other targets of the crackdown are "low-brow and base" commercials for sex toys

Very nice!

We are such prudes here in America.

mbokohutu
12-07-2007, 03:21 PM
Dang! This place is so frustrating.

I would really like to explain exactly to you why their titties get smaller, why their dicks get smaller, and why their entire bodies are smaller........

but no one seems the slightest bit interested. How weird is that? People just want to make goofy comments.

Is this really a hang out for kung fu people wanting to learn about kung fu, or just a place for people to leave comments on during their break at work?

doc
12-07-2007, 04:46 PM
I would really like to explain exactly to you why their titties get smaller, why their dicks get smaller, and why their entire bodies are smaller........



Time for more enlightment. Bring it on.

onesp1ng
12-07-2007, 05:07 PM
did he just say "dang?" ooooo, i believe he did..

but, at least he's peristant. got to give him that. yup.

very, very, persistant..

zachsan
12-07-2007, 06:06 PM
Is this really a hang out for kung fu people wanting to learn about kung fu, or just a place for people to leave comments on during their break at work?
A little of both.

doc
12-07-2007, 07:00 PM
D
I would really like to explain exactly to you why their titties get smaller,
I'd like to know why Chinese women's titties are getting smaller. Such a tragedy of humongous proportions, with dismal international ramifications.

And what can we, concerned citizens, do about this?

I've lost sleep.

mbokohutu
12-29-2007, 08:29 AM
I feel mysterious

Do you know what the ouroboros sign is?

If you do, what is it, or what does it mean to you?

Firbolg
12-29-2007, 10:25 AM
Do you know what the ouroboros sign is?

If you do, what is it, or what does it mean to you?


It was written on the box that dave lister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Lister) was abandoned in as a baby and was initially thought to indicate his liverpudlian parents inability to decide on whether to call him rob or ross.. :chuckle:

How does this relate to titties though? :confused:

DjMichiZ
01-02-2008, 12:10 AM
it's the bovine growth hormone in the ice-cream, joghurt, milk blablabla.

I should eat less nutritious food, my staff form might improve.

mbokohutu
01-05-2008, 05:00 PM
Ya. I knew that was the wrong approach after I wrote it. The mystical approach is not going to work with you guys. You are stuck in the physical, so I am going to have to figure out a way to talk down to you.

The absolute childishly simple way I can think of to get this across will start out with:

What do you see in this picture?


http:///www.happeh.com/Images/Russbo/HumanProfileArmsOverHead.png

No one will see what I am going to point out, just so you know. The point is to get you to think. After reading this, you will think about "What could be in a profile view of the human body, that would explain why chinese woman have small titties?".

Hopefully, wondering about what could be in the picture to answer that question, will jumpstart your dead brains onto more constructive pathways.

doc
01-05-2008, 05:53 PM
I'm really looking forward to this...

Iron Cross
01-05-2008, 06:01 PM
Does it involve breathing through the anus?

doc
01-05-2008, 06:58 PM
I see Happeh pictures in our future. Let him proceed...

mbokohutu
01-09-2008, 03:13 AM
http://www.happeh.com/Images/Russbo/HumanCurlicue.png

What do you see?

Iron Cross
01-09-2008, 03:52 AM
A computer generated image of a man with his arms held up and his thumbs facing an awkward direction with a large black line draw over him.

doc
01-09-2008, 06:08 AM
No man.

Sagging boobs. ON the wrong side of the body.

IC, whats' the matter with you man... :)

Iron Cross
01-09-2008, 01:29 PM
oooooooh.... Dammit I always get that one wrong. From now on I think I'll play it safe by assuming every time someone asks me what I see the are referring to sagging boobs.

master-lu
01-09-2008, 02:16 PM
think hard on this one- there is a hole. where is that hole located- I see an a.. hole!

Blue Sky
01-10-2008, 09:18 PM
Ya know, after the first handful or mouthful, the rest is wasted. I have a theory about all you big boobie chasers. Ya know, when we were little babies using boobies for milk, they ALL looked big. Especially when even the smallest ones were filled.
So - isn't chasing big boobies a need to be babied, a need to be treated as if you were unable to care for yourself?
:chuckle:

doc
01-10-2008, 09:27 PM
I need to be babied. I can't take care of myself anymore.

But then again, I'm all for the big ones.

Carona
01-10-2008, 11:06 PM
The first image looked like a naked castrated man held at gunpoint waiting for an anal check by customs officers to see if he carries something hidden up his anus.

the second image looks like he did try to smuggle a green mamba hidden away in his arse into the country but unfortunately it came out looking like a black mamba....


can't wait to see the images of him explaining this to the judge

mbokohutu
01-11-2008, 03:07 PM
You people are incorrigible. :hmmm:I am warning you in advance, that when I do spring this on you, I am going to roll in the floor laughing, while you all sheepishly look at each other wondering why you didn't see it.

http://www.happeh.com/Images/Russbo/HumanCurlicue02.png

What do you see?

Iron Cross
01-11-2008, 03:47 PM
now i see tits AND ass...

doc
01-11-2008, 05:23 PM
The veritable "meaning of life". Now disclosed to all of us, for the very first time...

zachsan
01-11-2008, 07:07 PM
You people are incorrigible. I am warning you in advance, that when I do spring this on you...
Happeh, you are so clever. Your riddles are indecipherable to us mere mortals. Whatever could you mean. :sarcasm:

mbokohutu
01-14-2008, 06:04 PM
I think most of the people here think kung fu is fighting and fighting only. They really don't know much about what a kung fu scholar is, or have any real interest in learning kung fu. They really just want to learn how to use their arm or leg like a club, and thump other people like a caveman does.

There is a concept from China of what is called a "Scholar Warrior". It might be taoist or something. The scholar warrior is about being a complete kung fu warrior. The scholar warrior would take the abilities he gained from his kung fu, and apply them to calligraphy, painting, singing, muscial instrument playing, etc. They would become kung fu masters at life, not just punching and kicking.

Part of being a scholar warrior is being alert, aware, and observant. If you are not aware, alert, and observant, how can you see the punch or kick coming at you? Since the scholar warrior applies his kung fu talents to all of his life, that means the scholar warrior would be alert, aware, and observant all through his daily life. Every single thing the kung fu scholar saw every day of his life would be observed and remembered.

If any of you guys were true scholar warriors, the kind that are observant, aware and alert, then you would see something in that picture I posted. No one said anything, so I guess no one saw anything?

To demonstrate what a scholar warrior does, I want to show you something that is not the answer to why chinese women have small titties, or why chinese people are small, but the something will demonstrate how just a little bit of observation and awareness about your surroundings, can make you smarter than the average bear.

http://www.happeh.com/Images/Russbo/Titties/Violin.png

That is a picture of a violin. Do you see the shapes in the middle of the violin body, on either side of the strings?

http://www.happeh.com/Images/Russbo/Titties/ViolinBody.png

Those shapes on the violin look like the shape that was drawn on the human body. What does that mean? I don't know. ;) But I know they look they same. I saw a violin, I observed those shapes on it, and when I looked at a human body in the profile, I saw the resemblance.

Does anyone know why they made those particular shapes in the violin? Why not make a circle or square or straight line? Why make that curly shape that looks sort of like a profile view of the human torso?

mbokohutu
01-17-2008, 05:52 PM
This forums is about kung fu. The Yin Yang sign is a part of kung fu.

http://www.happeh.com/Images/Russbo/Titties/YinYangSmaller.png

For the heck of it, you might compare the drawing to the Yin Yang sign.

http://www.happeh.com/Images/Russbo/Titties/HumanCurlicue02YinYangCompare.png

There doesn't seem to be any connection other than the black color of the lines on the body and the black color on the Yin Yang symbol. We can do anything we want to with the pieces of the puzzle, and you would be amazed at how useful it is to break the Yin Yang sign into two halves and comparing the halves to the world around you, instead of trying to use the entire circular Yin Yang symbol.

http://www.happeh.com/Images/Russbo/Titties/HumanCurlicue02YinYangHalvesCompare.png

Then after getting your insight to wake up and look at the picture, you might come up with something like this.

http://www.happeh.com/Images/Russbo/Titties/HumanYinYangCompare.png

That picture has nothing to do with why chinese women have small titties. Or maybe it does, but that wasn't my intention. I still have something else in mind that you should see when you look at this picture.

http://www.happeh.com/Images/Russbo/HumanCurlicue.png

mbokohutu
01-26-2008, 02:50 PM
I actually felt a little guilty for not posting any follow up for a week.

Nobody posting, so I guess it doesn't matter when I get around to it.

master splinter
01-26-2008, 08:23 PM
gee happeh, your kung fu delusions or pretty UNfascinating...

im pretty sure its a tad bit more complicated then that....

okay now that ive said that,

trip out on this.

file:///C:/Users/kayin/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpghttp://www.share-international.org/magazine/images/crop_circle2.jpg

zachsan
01-28-2008, 08:05 PM
... so I guess it doesn't matter when I get around to it.
Finally, he's beginning to understand.

master splinter
02-02-2008, 09:14 PM
i seriously doubt it...

mbokohutu
02-06-2008, 09:06 PM
OK everybody. Are you prepared to feel stupid? Remember this picture? I told you that you could figure out why chinese women have small tities if you could figure out what the black line reminded you of?

http://www.happeh.com/Images/Russbo/HumanCurlicue.png

It has been almost 3 weeks and no one has really said anything. Just standing in the back hiding, waiting for someone else to answer, or even more sad, not even caring to answer.







I want you to reach under your desk, tie your shoes, then look at that picture and tell me what you see.

doc
02-06-2008, 09:26 PM
The forums have been relatively inaccessible for the past few weeks due to my repairing and upgrading them. I'm sure people will want to find out the rest of the story; give them some time to come back.

mbokohutu
04-16-2008, 02:33 PM
I posted the below 2 1/2 months ago. I answered the question about why Chinese women have small titties, why Chinese men have small dicks, and why Chinese people in general are small.

Not a word. Not one word in response.

Pathetic really. Like giving someone a bag of gold and watching them standing their holding it drooling, instead of going out to buy all the things they have always wanted.

:-(



OK everybody. Are you prepared to feel stupid? Remember this picture? I told you that you could figure out why chinese women have small tities if you could figure out what the black line reminded you of?

http://www.happeh.com/Images/Russbo/HumanCurlicue.png

It has been almost 3 weeks and no one has really said anything. Just standing in the back hiding, waiting for someone else to answer, or even more sad, not even caring to answer.







I want you to reach under your desk, tie your shoes, then look at that picture and tell me what you see.

doc
04-17-2008, 06:55 AM
UMMM, I don't get it.

But then again, you probably never expected me to.

Help us Happeh. Or Mobutu. Or whomever you are.

We mere mortals want to know.

mbokohutu
05-31-2008, 03:42 PM
Are you playing stoopid? Just to string me along?

I gave up on the people here and decided to try to find intelligent life elsewhere.

YouTube - Why do Chinese women have small titties?

I'm thinking you still won't get it. I am beginning to wonder if I forgot who I am and what I have learned. I take lots of things for granted. Like everybody should know the same things I do. I forget I have been doing this for years, so I have lots of background thinking and facts that other people don't.

Maybe I expect too much from others?

onesp1ng
05-31-2008, 04:16 PM
man, happeh, i'm so happy you've come back....

hey, didn't you say somewhere that your not asian? (please correct me if i'm wrong) have you ever lived in asia before?

mbokohutu
08-17-2008, 06:46 PM
Maybe the stupid comments were harsh. I wonder if anyone in the entire world understood the first video. Because my faith in the intelligence of the average person is waning, the answer was spelled out in the followup video.

I suppose I should qualify that statement and say that, to me, the answer is spelled out clearly in the followup video.

Oh ya. This is another one of those kung fu secrets videos. Last time I was talking about this stuff, I think the site went down. So if the site comes under attack again or something, it was probably because I am posting videos of 1000 year old secrets of Chinese Kung Fu.

YouTube - Why Chinese women have small titties Part 02

doc
08-18-2008, 03:11 AM
So if the site comes under attack again or something, it was probably because I am posting videos of 1000 year old secrets of Chinese Kung Fu.

Yes. That explains it.

Those Islamicists from Turkey were probably very upset about the release of thousand year old kung fu secrets. Oh, the Russians too.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find my girlfriend (who has large breasts) and try to exert some contractive forces.

zachsan
08-18-2008, 05:10 PM
The Russians almost certainly had something to do with it.

I was in Brooklyn on Saturday night, and I saw an unfamiliar-looking truck drive through the intersection where I was standing. I asked my driver what sort of truck it was, and he said it looked like some sort of Russian tank. At the precise moment the word "Russian" escaped his lips, all the lights went out, but only in that intersection.

Does anyone else understand what I'm saying here? Or are you unable to make the connections that are obvious to someone with a brain as large as mine?

doc
08-18-2008, 07:25 PM
I'm sure Happeh understands it.

Too bad you didn't have a video of the event. He could have drawn string lines around things and explained everything.

mbokohutu
08-21-2008, 12:35 AM
Yes. That explains it.

Those Islamicists from Turkey were probably very upset about the release of thousand year old kung fu secrets. Oh, the Russians too.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to find my girlfriend (who has large breasts) and try to exert some contractive forces.

Oh lord. You have succumbed to the forces of internet stupidity haven't you? My heart is broken.

I went over to this place called Bullshido. It is a bunch of cynical haters that do nothing but talk shit all day. When I was here before, at least you tried to be polite. Maybe it was just an act, but you tried. It made me think maybe you could understand.

That comment above could have been written by one of those cynical haters over at BullShido.

What happened to you doc? Over exposure to internet hate? Contact with that stuff will make anyone start mimicing that thinking and speaking style. It is really a deadly trap.

Someone needs to write a scientific study about how using the internet makes the average human being's vocabulary shrink, their thinking ability shrink, and completely kills their ability to politely listen to the opinion of another person, and comment on it calmly and politely

doc
08-21-2008, 12:45 AM
What happened?

Nothing.

We got attacked from people in Russia and Turkey, as evidenced by IP addresses and logs that I have on my server.

And I like exerting contractive forces on my girlfriend.

She likes it too.

Fa Hui
08-21-2008, 02:02 AM
Someone needs to write a scientific study about how using the internet makes the average human being's vocabulary shrink, their thinking ability shrink, and completely kills their ability to politely listen to the opinion of another person, and comment on it calmly and politely

Sounds like you would be the best candidate for such study.

liutangsanzang
08-21-2008, 12:55 PM
From a vegetarian point of view, the fact that chinese women have bigger breast might not be a good sign ethically and esthetically.

To grow on killing, not listenning the will to live of animals, suffering from unnatural conditions in modern time, might not contribute to awakening to absolute non violence and beauty.

Of course, u r going to say that what i write is wrong and what you think is right.

No there is no suffering of animals in modern time and no u r not a part of it.

Do u think a beautiful fascist japanese woman is beautiful?

Iron Cross
08-21-2008, 02:02 PM
Do u think a beautiful fascist japanese woman is beautiful?

Hell Yeah!!!

zachsan
08-21-2008, 03:10 PM
Kinky too.

Fa Hui
08-21-2008, 08:18 PM
Do u think a beautiful fascist japanese woman is beautiful?

Is it just me or is there some redundancy in this question?

Oh, and I wonder if there is some sort of connection between Happeh, Liu, and BTL?

Should I take a nap?

LOL!

liutangsanzang
08-22-2008, 07:53 AM
The question is to suggest that most humans have no idea of what is beauty. They are stucked in the 6 senses and sensual pleasure instead of non violence. What is considered often as beauty can be violence, like the case of a so called beautiful facist japanese woman or one of this violent us movie or many of these gongfu chinese movie that have nothing to do with stopping the fight. I try to get out of the 6 senses and of unquestionned sensual pleasure.

Zhuangzi said that Maoli and Weiyuan were pretty for the eyes of men but when birds saw them they flew away, when fish saw them they went deep in water, when deers saw them they runned away.

Whom of the 4 knew what was beauty?

zachsan
08-22-2008, 03:28 PM
Beauty is subjective my friend. I happen to be of the opinion that a lion chasing down and killing a zebra is one of the more beautiful phenomena in nature. You can disagree with me if you like but any argument that amounts to "your definition of beauty is wrong" is a waste of breath.

Fa Hui
08-22-2008, 04:02 PM
Beauty is subjective my friend. I happen to be of the opinion that a lion chasing down and killing a zebra is one of the more beautiful phenomena in nature. You can disagree with me if you like but any argument that amounts to "your definition of beauty is wrong" is a waste of breath.

That is one of the most profound statements I have ever read.

liutangsanzang
08-22-2008, 04:29 PM
In Buddhism lions like most animals are seen as very ignorant. For instance they ignore the suffering of other sentient beings.

If we link beauty with compassion, what is the love and compassion of a lion?

Do u think a Lion will help you if u break ur leg?

Fa Hui
08-22-2008, 05:24 PM
In Buddhism lions like most animals are seen as very ignorant. For instance they ignore the suffering of other sentient beings.

If we link beauty with compassion, what is the love and compassion of a lion?

Do u think a Lion will help you if u break ur leg?

Liu, once again you totally miss the mark. I'm not sure what it is with you, I really just don't get it. Is it a language problem? Is there some degree of a language barrier that you just completely miss the meaning of the statement?

Can it be something else? Do you just not care to pay attention to what other people write when it doesn't fit your own ideological agenda? I'd liked to know because I don't understand you. I would hope that you would not be so blind and closed off to others perceptions and wisdom to really write the things you do. Are you just truly ignorant?

Could it be that your just not very bright or intelligent? I don't think so, I don't think it could be, and in fact I think you're probably a bit smarter than most people.


I happen to be of the opinion that a lion chasing down and killing a zebra is one of the more beautiful phenomena in nature.

Zachsans comment about the lion had nothing to do with the moral inclinations of lions but more to do with its actions. You see the lion will be just a lion, it will hunt like a lion, and it will eat like a lion. It's not about what the lion represents as in terms of Buddhist thought, that's not the point. It was what the lion represents in reality, stripped of all human ideas and thought save for the true experience and wonder of the actions of a lion killing a zebra. It's not the killing itself but the act that matters.

zachsan
08-22-2008, 05:49 PM
Thanks, Fa. I also find it curious how, when it ought to be clear that many people here aren't Buddhist, he answers almost every question within the context of Buddhism. It's like an atheist talking to a Christian about why he believes in evolution, and the Christian only answering with things like, "well the Bible says..."


Do u think a Lion will help you if u break ur leg?
What?

Do you think the Mona Lisa will help you if you break your leg? How about Niagara Falls? A solar eclipse? Does this make those things less beautiful?


If we link beauty with compassion...
Well, you're obviously equating beauty with compassion.

doc
08-22-2008, 05:49 PM
I think humans are pretty ignorant beings.

liutangsanzang
08-22-2008, 06:15 PM
Fa Hui, i also dont understand u. U have the habit to correct me, like if u were some elder monk talking to a novice. U even insulted me, calling me an asshole. And after u wonder if there is a connection between me and Happeh, but in reality i ve never insulted u, and in reality u had a behaviour more close to Happeh. And doc didnt correct u tough he is against personal attacks.

Do u think u r wiser than me?

For instance u say i miss the mark.

How do u know i miss the mark, are u awaken?

U see the lion trough ur own perception and mental fabrication, samskara.

I see it trough mine.

For u the lion killing is not a question of ignorance or ethics, well that s ur point of view, i have a different, but why u want to correct me? R u superior?

Or would u say buddhism misses the mark when it talks about ignorance of animals and specially ignorance of the suffering of other living beings?

And what about the idea that man and lion are linked? That a man may become a lion with transmigration. Killing the animal as a man is not an ethical act? And if it is does it stop to be an ethical choice when he becomes a lion? The jain would say yes, the killing of the zebra by the lion is unethical and violent. The buddhists might say it is samsara. Can u prove the jains and the buddhists are wrong? U think jains miss the mark, while u and zachsan have found the truth, o great gurus!

U say u dont understand me and that is pretty wise but most of the time u act like u understand better than me. U teach me meditation, u preach that i dont understand zen, u affirm that i am ideological. Please check urself and if u dont understand me zen do not contradict urself and dont put categorical judgments. R u my master?

And why did u insult me?

Anyway, thanks for the comments and the work on my ego.

I m certainly closed to other people and ignorant and i do a lot of meditation to get linked to other beings through the understanding of their suffering. Hope it will get better with times, thanks for the concern. As far as Z is concerned i have a bit of understanding of why he thinks it is beauty, but since my studying of philosophy i find it difficult to define beauty and i m reluctant to believe senses for judging beauty.

Again would u say that a beautiful japanese fascist women is beautiful? Is beauty just a sensation or is sensation fooling us and in fact we should inquire into compassion to reach the true sense of beauty? A fried baby would taste good, caged chicken eggs taste good, yet according to Thich Nhat Hanh this eggs are full of anger.

So yes i m sorry but i question the ignorance of the lion and the fact of calling it beautiful. It is not a question of buddhism, it is a question of reality: has the lion some understanding of the suffering of the zebra and of other sentient beings.

And i put it as a question: i dont say the lion is ignorant of the suffering of other beings. Tough i think there are objective facts that would tend to prove the buddhist view on animals is quite true, like the fact that the lion will eat u rather than help u if u have a broken leg and he will not think of the children u will leave alone.

Yet i question.

I m sure u ve a lot of compassion and understanding on philosophy. U wanting to learn close to Thich Nhat Han is a sign of ur devotion to love and wisdom. I ve also spent a lot of time in Thay's monastery, so we are dhamma brothers. But i dont understand ur persistant attacks. Is it some shaolin trick or is it agressivity and ignorance brought as wisdom by ur ego? So would u question ur understanding on meditation and lions?

Om and peace and love

zachsan
08-22-2008, 06:30 PM
Liu, when Fa Hui said you "missed the mark", I don't think he was insulting you or saying anything about your level of spiritual advancement.

I think he was referring to the fact that you completely ignored the point of my argument to get into some asinine discussion about the moral standing of lions.

So I'll restate my point: Beauty is subjective. Do you disagree? Please do not include the word "lion" in your response.

liutangsanzang
08-22-2008, 06:48 PM
Ok, u say beauty is subjective.

My answer is i dont know.

If i was platonician or hegelian i would look for an objective essence of beauty, what all beautiful things have in common.

Some like Wittgenstein would say that such an approach is foolish, that there is no such thing as a definition but that there are only games of speech.

Personnaly i try not to choose between these two options.

Art was the topic of the year when i passed the exams to become philosophy teacher and i didnt end in being clear about what is beauty!

I do not reject the ideas of essence and objectivity, like there is an essence of a circle or an essence of a radio.

As for myself being buddhist, i m certainly influenced by buddhism but i do my best not to be dogmatical. I m certainly more dogmaical about marxism, socialism and anarchism!

For me buddhism is a good philosophy with a lot of inspiring insights and that is why i like to quote it. But it does not mean i approve everything of it.

To get back to the original question of bigger breasts and whether it is beautiful, i think buddhism and vegetarianism are interesting because they bring a different insight.

When i was in Tibet i bought this green Tara for whom i have a special devotion. I mean i bought a painting not Tara! Yet this green tara was a little fat, what would go against my taste. But the fact that she is a little fat is indeed inspiring because it negates the jain idea that killing animals, despite their expressed will to live, is violent. So i like my green tara for being a little fat, tough i dont know if in fact she is not too much fat.

I always find funny that Guanyin and the chinese buddhas are so fat, while sakyamuni fasted until his stomach would touch his spinal bones (that might have a tantric symbolism( And the tibetan taras are slimmer than the chinese guanyins.

So are big chinese breast grown from killing and modern farming are beautiful or not? I dont know, but contrary to most people i doubt it.

And Thich Nhat Hanh would say that these eggs are full of an anger energ.

So is anger beautiful? Can we talk about beauty about an energy or emotion? Most of the time we do so, and we say that anger and violence are ugly.

And note that my reasoning does not imply buddhism, it just implies philosophy.

So what do u think about these big breasts? Would it ever equal the breasts of this hindu vegetarian divinities?


Om and peace and love

liutangsanzang
08-22-2008, 07:10 PM
And to get back to the question of the lion killing is beautiful or no, if u say that it is beautiful zen u seem to put an affirmation.

I prefer to put a question and i try to do so and i try to question my will of questionning and whether i am really questionning if killing is beautiful or not.

What most people seem not to do.

So is a lion killing beautiful or not?

Is a caged chicken beautiful or not?



Om and peace and love

zachsan
08-22-2008, 07:10 PM
Congratulations on having gone to school for philosophy.

Myself, I think beauty has to be understood as subjective, if we're going to allow the word to retain any meaning. If you equate "beauty" with "good", like you're obviously doing, then you have no use for the word "beauty" in the first place. "My mother is a beautiful and kind woman" becomes "My mother is a good good woman". And this conversation never takes place.


So what do u think about these big breasts? Would it ever equal the breasts of this hindu vegetarian divinities?
More than just equal. Unless I'm mistaken you can't grab divine boobs. Plus all those arms are a little creepy. But hey, whatever you're into...

zachsan
08-22-2008, 07:13 PM
And to get back to the question of the lion killing is beautiful or no, if u say that it is beautiful zen u put an affirmation.
I said I find it beautiful. I never said it was beautiful in any objective or essential sense. Not only are you attacking a straw man but the straw man sounds a lot like your own argument.

...And regarding what I said before about wasting breath, I have now wasted quite a bit of it. I mean, virtual breath... you get the point. I think I'm done.

liutangsanzang
08-22-2008, 07:46 PM
Ok, but if u say that beauty is subjective, arent u taking a side?

Maybe silence is the way not to take sides?

And i dont necessarly equal beauty to good, for instance abstract painting can have its own beauty.

But some would say indeed that what is more important is not the painting but the painter, what would turn us back to the question of the goodness of the painter. This is also an eastern approach onn how to look like at a painting.

And would a beautiful abstract painting be beautiful if it was painted on the skin of a tortured and skinned innocent woman?

According to Plato, yes we have to equate beauty to goodness. They have in common that why we find something beautiful or good is that we are in love with them and we desire them. See the Symposium.

And personally i dont want to be in love with a beautiful fascist woman, the senses are not relevant for me in this case. Tough i want to love her, but i cannot agree on her hatred and violence. I would not call beauty her beauty. In this sens u r right, i tend to equal beauty with goodness when ethics can be linked to the beautiful object in question.

And i doubt that i should be in love with bigger breasts when it comes to chinese people. I tend to think that, ethically, chinese is one of the worst food in the world. Just an abnormal or even subnormal doubt.

Not talking about buddhism

Om and peace and love

zachsan
08-22-2008, 08:08 PM
Fun!!


Ok, but if u say that beauty is subjective, arent u taking a side?
Yes.


Maybe silence is the way not to take sides?
I'm sure it is.


And i dont equal beauty to good, for instance abstract painting can have its own beauty.
Will Homage to the Square help you if your arm is broken?


And according to Plato, yes we have to equate beauty to goodness. They have in common that why we find something beautiful or good is that we are in love with them and we desire them. See the Symposium.
OK. I disagree.


And personally i dont want to be in love with a beautiful fascist woman, the senses are not relevant for me in this case.
I never said I wanted to be in love with the theoretical hot fascist chick. Yet, I do want to give her every inch of my love. I want a whole lotta love. Selah.


And i doubt that i should be in love with bigger breasts.

mbokohutu
08-23-2008, 01:09 PM
Fa Hui, i also dont understand u. U have the habit to correct me, like if u were some elder monk talking to a novice. U even insulted me, calling me an asshole. And after u wonder if there is a connection between me and Happeh, but in reality i ve never insulted u, and in reality u had a behaviour more close to Happeh. And doc didnt correct u tough he is against personal attacks.

You just made a big mistake. I don't know you and have never talked to you, and you are talking about my behavior? You asked for it.


Do u think u r wiser than me?

Sure. You can't even speak english right.



And why did u insult me?

Because you are crazy? Because your posts make no sense? Because people are only being polite and tolerating you, and he ran out of tolerance?


I m certainly closed to other people and ignorant

It is always good to admit when you are ignorant. That way we don't have to tell you.


Again would u say that a beautiful japanese fascist women is beautiful?

What is it with you and Japanese? You one of those racist Chinese? Don't feel bad Japan kicked your ass in WWII. It's not like your country is 50 times bigger than Japan and your population is 1000 times more than Japan.

Losers. Just accept they kicked your pathetic ass and get over it. I bet they would do it again if there was another war.


Is beauty just a sensation or is sensation fooling us and in fact we should inquire into compassion to reach the true sense of beauty? A fried baby would taste good, caged chicken eggs taste good, yet according to Thich Nhat Hanh this eggs are full of anger.

Ya. You are being crazy on purpose. All those "elevated" guys talk crazy on purpose. That is how they keep people coming to them. People don't understand the craziness, so they keep going back to try and figure it out. Great way to make money.


So yes i m sorry but i question the ignorance of the lion and the fact of calling it beautiful. It is not a question of buddhism, it is a question of reality: has the lion some understanding of the suffering of the zebra and of other sentient beings.

No. It is a question of whoop de doo and loop de loo. You are just playing mind games to stir up their brains. Then when their brains are good and confused, you can move in and take over.

You guys that don't know kung fu better be careful. All those things I talk about that you don't believe are real, and they will bite you if you don't watch what is going on.

This guy will turn you into a cult zombie if your brain is weak.


I ve also spent a lot of time in Thay's monastery, so we are dhamma brothers. But i dont understand ur persistant attacks.

They can't help it. They are still at the animal level of humanity. They have not raised themselves up to be human beings yet. The only thing they know is barking like a dog.

By the way. Who is Thay? Your next door neighbors kid? You spend a lot of time in the dirt monastery he built in his sandbox?

mbokohutu
08-23-2008, 01:14 PM
I said I find it beautiful. I never said it was beautiful in any objective or essential sense. Not only are you attacking a straw man but the straw man sounds a lot like your own argument.

...And regarding what I said before about wasting breath, I have now wasted quite a bit of it. I mean, virtual breath... you get the point. I think I'm done.

Jesus christ. You guys are actually polite to this guy trying to turn your brain to butter.

But when I show up with hard factual material that only takes study like you are supposed to have done in college, you are rude, abusive, unthinking, uncooperative, and impossible.

You deserve what you get. I am gonna stand back while he turns your brain to mush, then come and laugh when he is done. ;)

zachsan
08-23-2008, 08:44 PM
You just made a big mistake. I don't know you and have never talked to you, and you are talking about my behavior? You asked for it.
Oh, snap!


Sure. You can't even speak english right.
"You don't talk real good!"


What is it with you and Japanese? You one of those racist Chinese?
"It's just like you people to be racist!"


Ya. You are being crazy on purpose. All those "elevated" guys talk crazy on purpose. That is how they keep people coming to them. People don't understand the craziness, so they keep going back to try and figure it out. Great way to make money.
Alright. Irony explosion. I was not in any way prepared for that. I need a drink.

liutangsanzang
08-24-2008, 09:05 AM
I find the question of the link between non violence and beauty quite essential and interesting.

It has a tantric taste. Would u make love to a woman with big breasts fed on caged chicken eggs? If yes, how to love her objectively?

It is an everyday question but important. How to love beauty without betraying non violence?

Peace and love

liutangsanzang
08-24-2008, 09:48 AM
Mobutu wrote:
"What is it with you and Japanese? You one of those racist Chinese? Don't feel bad Japan kicked your ass in WWII. It's not like your country is 50 times bigger than Japan and your population is 1000 times more than Japan.

Losers. Just accept they kicked your pathetic ass and get over it. I bet they would do it again if there was another war."

Doc, isnt this guy defending the fascist japanese invasion of China?

And while i talk about Happeh, he says i talk about him.
"you are talking about my behavior"

onesp1ng
08-24-2008, 02:20 PM
lie, happeh and mbo..?? are the same person. sometimes "they" just think we're stupid enough to not notice the difference. one second he talks about himself in third person, the next he says "why are you talkiing about my behavior?" when someoen refers to happeh. obviously "they're" confused....

Blue Sky
08-25-2008, 04:58 AM
The moment he said Russian, the lights went out - I get it - the truck was 'Russian' through the intersection and when the camera took thepicture of his license plate, it shorted out the electricity in the intersection. Any idiot can see that...........

mbokohutu
09-11-2008, 06:21 PM
Mobutu wrote:
Doc, isnt this guy defending the fascist japanese invasion of China?


See how good I am? I knew exactly what this guys story was just by reading a few of his posts.

He is some Chinese guy with a chip on his shoulder about the Japanese actions in China in WWII.

All the other stuff is just airy fairy, la la la, I am at peace and at one with the universe bullshit.