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    老外直言:怎样与老外交朋友
    http://www.sina.com.cn 2002/04/04 10:37 北京青年报

      Alex Williams(澳)

     (本文作者为英国海外志愿者组织(VSO)成员,年轻女士,现在河南平顶山师范学院教授英语 )

      Just the other day, I was in a bookshop and spotted a volume entitled How to Make Friends with Foreigners by Li Yang of Crazy English fame.Naturally, as a foreigner who has been living in China for a year, I was curious to see what kind of advice a Chinese writer was giving on this matter.

      One piece of advice really grabbed my attention and, I must say, made me feel quite annoyed.In Li's opinion, foreigners are an“opportunity”to improve your oral English; whenever you see a foreigner, you should practice speaking English to him/her. The writer goes on to say that if the foreigner doesn't want to answer your questions, then he/she is a rude person who you wouldn't want to spend time with anyway.I think this counsel is not only incorrect, but also potentially damaging to relations between Chinese and foreigners in China.

      Like most other laowai living in China, I know how isolated one can sometimes feel living amid a culture far removed from our own familiar ways. However, most of the time this cultural isolation is something I simply accept as part of being here. I am, after all, here to learn about the people and the language of China and if I really hated this place then I would go home! So far my time in China has been very rewarding. I have improved my Chinese language skills, learnt about one of the most fascinating, swiftly developing countries in the world today and made some very close Chinese friends.

      Unfortunately, I have also come across many Chinese people who view me purely as an“opportunity”to improve their oral English under the guise of making friends. I have experienced people following me home from town to my college flat and then harassing me to teach them English or practice English with them. I have had complete strangers thrusting articles, manuals and speeches in my face, insisting that I help them with the English translation. I have had people asking me to assist with immigration applications to other countries. All of these people have claimed at the time that what they chiefly wanted was to make friends with me. There was even one person at the weekly English Corner that I run at college who, after plying me with non-stop questions for half an hour, became very angry when I politely asked him to give other people a chance to speak. He puffed himself up like a peacock and informed me that he was simply trying to be my friend.

      He may well have thought he was trying to be my friend, butswheresI come from you don't build friendships by pestering and badgering another person. Friendship for a lot of Westerners is about spending time with someone whose company you genuinely enjoy.It's not about opportunities or personal advantage.The Chinese friends I have made while living here have been genuine friends to me; we enjoy each other's company for its own sake.In this way, we've not only learnt a good deal about each other's culture but also about each other as individuals.

      I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't approach foreigners at all. However, I do think that it's important to question your own motives. If you truly want to make friends with someone from a different country, who could possibly object?On the other hand, if your only motive is to“use”the foreigner as a way of improving your English, then it's quite likely that the foreigner will be able to see through you - and will definitely not want to spend time with you.

      So if there's any advice to give on making and keeping friendships with foreigners, I would say that it is this:Treat foreigners as people, not opportunities.Expect to make friendships gradually, over a period of time, not instantly. And don't ply foreigners with lots and lots of disparate questions. At times, this approach comes across as confusing and unnatural.

      Finally, I would suggest that if you really want to make friends with a foreigner, then you do so because you are genuinely interested in the person. We all know that true friendships stand the test of time. If your only reason for making friends with a foreigner is to upgrade your English, then you will probably find that you don't have a foreign friend for long!

    老外直言:怎样与老外交朋友
      几天前,我在书店发现了一本书,书名是《怎样和老外交朋友》,作者是因“疯狂英语⠝而出名的李阳。作为一个在中国生活了一年的外国人,我自然很想知道一位中国作者在这方面给出了什么样 的忠告。

      有一条忠告真是吸引住了我,但我也不得不说,这条忠告让我很懊恼。按照李先生的观点,外国人是你提高英 语口语水平的“机会”,只要见到外国人,你就应该上前和他们练英语。作者进一步说 道,如果某个外国人不想回答你的问题,那他(她)就是一个粗鲁的人,是个你不屑与之交往的人。我认为这一忠 告不仅不正确,还会给中国人和老外的关系带来潜在的危害。

      像多数住在中国的老外一样,我知道生活在远离自己所熟悉的另一种文化当中,有时会感到多么孤独啊!但在 多数情况下,我接受这种文化上的孤独,将其作为生活在这儿的一部分。说到底,我来这里是想了解中国人民和她 的语言,如果我真的不喜欢这个地方,那我早就回国了。到目前为止,我在中国度过的时光非常有价值,我的中文 水平提高了,了解了当今世界上最有吸引力的、发展最快的一个国家,一些中国人也成了我亲密的朋 友。

      但令人遗憾的是,我也撞见很多中国人,他们借口交朋友但却只把我看成练口语的“机会⠝,有人从城里一直跟到我的学校宿舍,缠着我教他们英语,或是陪他们练口语;还有一些陌生人把文章、 手册、讲稿塞到我面前要我帮忙翻译;还有人要我帮他们写移民申请。所有这些人当时都声称主要目的就是与我交 朋友。在校园我所主持的每周英语角上,甚至有一个人不间断地连问了我半个小时的问题后,在我有礼貌地请他也 给别人一个机会练英语时,他竟然生起气来。他趾高气扬像只雄孔雀,告诉我他无非是想成为我的朋 友。

      他或许真的想成为我的朋友,但我来自一个不可以通过纠缠与烦扰建立友谊的国度。对于很多西方人来说,友 谊是与某人共度时光,他(她)的陪伴让你由衷地感到快乐。友谊并非是“机会”或是 能给自己带来什么好处。我在这儿交的中国朋友都是真诚的朋友,我们因为彼此喜欢在一起而在一起。在这种情况 下,我们不仅相互了解了很多对方的文化,也加深了个人间的了解。

      在此,我并非建议你根本不与老外打交道。但是,我认为,重要的一点是问一下自己的动机。如果你真的想与 来自异国的人交朋友,谁会反对呢?但话说回来,如果你唯一的动机就是利用老外将其作为自己提高英语的一种手 段,那么,老外很可能看穿你——那他(她)肯定不想与你共处。

      因此,如果说我对与老外交朋友并保持友谊有什么忠告,我想说的就是:把外国人看成“人â €,而不要看成“机会”;友谊是逐渐形成的,要经过一段时间,不要期望速 成;不要没完没了地向老外提出大量的互不相关的问题,这样的接触方式有时会让老外犯晕或是觉得 不自然。

      最后,我想建议,如果你真的想和一个老外交朋友,那么你就应该是因为真心喜欢这个人。我们都知道,真正 的友谊是经受得住时间考验的。如果你与老外交朋友的唯一目的是提高英语水平,那你恐怕就不会有一个长久的老 外朋友。

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    Although a couple years old, i just came across this, which was actually included in an issue of the Beijing Youth Paper. ---- pretty funny. http://bjyouth.ynet.com/
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  • #2
    Very appropriate One Sp1ng

    Only, wrong place.... I don't think many chinese read this forum.

    Also the concept of friend to the Chinese does not map on to our western concept.

    If you have just one Chinese with you the "Qing Weners" don't approach you. I only get mugged if I'm by myself.

    Also it helps greatly to not let people know you speak Chinese. Otherwise it can take an awful long time to get anywhere or do anything...

    Problem for me is that we are representing our countries, so you have to be polite, but on the whole, the Chinese who don't have access to foreigners are so eager to "Qing Wen" that they ignore the social cues that you don't want to continue the conversation. From there on in, they are being rude and not us.

    Chicken

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    • #3
      Only, wrong place.... I don't think many chinese read this forum.
      they don't, but that's what makes this article amusing: the target audience.

      Also the concept of friend to the Chinese does not map on to our western concept.
      i think this is what the author is saying, more or less. so, we educate Chinese as to what our concept of friend is, or, rather, we educate westerners as to what chinese culture is like and how to assimilate to it?

      Also it helps greatly to not let people know you speak Chinese. Otherwise it can take an awful long time to get anywhere or do anything...
      surely speaking chinese has it's advantages -- unless of course you're getting pulled over...lol if you can't speak chinese, you may need to depend on people more for help, which could place you in situations where you're inadvertantly being taken advantage of. not speaking chinese has it's place, but, in general, being able to speak it can be just as valuable.

      Problem for me is that we are representing our countries, so you have to be polite, but on the whole, the Chinese who don't have access to foreigners are so eager to "Qing Wen" that they ignore the social cues that you don't want to continue the conversation. From there on in, they are being rude and not us.
      this is the problem. it just strikes me as funny because of who the author is attempting to educate. let's see, are the bunk of chinese going to listen to Li Yang, or some "foreigner?" hmmmm???
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      • #4
        Yup its quite comical, and apparent that the writer hasn't appreciated friendship from a Chinese perspective. He seems to expect that Chinese will get the Western aspect of friendship just by admonising them. There's no respect in what he writes, every chinese that approaches you to learn english genuinely wants to be your friend. If they get to be friends with you, they've won the jackpot! Therefore it is like a competion to them and so much is at stake that inevitably they will try 10x harder to be your friend.

        It one of the downsides to being here, we work out how to handle it, in that there's an art to being friendly to them, even when you can't be everyone's best friend. Or maybe its social integration... that once I was accepted by the collectives around me, then the Qing Weners realise that I am in a guanxi network and therefore I've got friends / don't need more.

        Conversely we have exactly the same issues with SHX in the UK. People want to get close to him, but there are not enough hours in the day. He seems to manage it by not divulging that he can speak English... when its apparent that his English is coming on (albeit - passively) day by day. Slipping into his Zen personal also helps distance people.

        Anyway... this is life in China... part of culture shock... what really do we Laowai expect?

        Chicken

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        • #5
          How about some F**KING RESPECT !!!!!!!!!!!!! I have a life same as the Chinese trying to talk to me ! I am obviously not trying to talk and am in the middle of doing something so have some respect and leave the fu*k alone !

          Short story...
          I was at Baima Si and was chillin. A married couple came up to me. The wife, as I soon found out, was a English teacher. They were very kind and we proceeded to conversate for two hours straight. I had no problem with it because I was alone and had the time, as well as showed the interest, to talk. Now we have become friends and she emails me when she has questions about English problems or American culture.

          Another short story....

          I'm returning to school as I have class in about 15 min.. A man comes up to me speaking horrible English and proceeds to stand directly in front of me and start asking me where I'm from and where I teach. I told him kindly in English, but obviously uninterested in talking and in a hurry. He then grabs me by the shoulders as I begin to walk past him and demands to know how long I have been and plan to be in China. I tell him nicely in Chinese that I'm in a hurry, I need to return to school because I have a class to teach. To that he responds by telling me we should go drink some baijiu so he can practice his English, and that that would be my class, in Chinese. Then he begins to take my arm and pull me toward the resturaunt. I had to force him off me and tell him very rudely that I didn't have time. I had to get to class. As I walked away he was cussing at me in Chinese. Telling me to go f**k my mother. I wanted to turn around and punch him in the face !

          How about some F**KING RESPECT ! Does he really think I would act like that, treat him that way, if he was in my country ? I don't know, maybe he would.

          Call it cultural if YOU want, but I feel people here seriously lack common sense ! If you want I can give you three other examples why I feel that way. People also tend to do things here in the least efficient manner possible. Again, I will be happy to give examples.

          Show me some respect, and if I have time I will be more than happy to have a chat with you !!!!!
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          • #6
            I don't think it has to do with respect, or a lack of it. I think it has more to do with ignorance, lack of education, curiosity, lack of perspective, and, in some cases, pure stupidity.

            I see it all the time when I'm in China.
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