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    I heard a rumor that Shi Wan Heng had been, ummmm...relocated to Sweden...I've a friend in Sweden who is interested in training and this led me to wonder about Shi Wan Heng and if you had any news or info about him or his present whereabouts and if he was teaching...
    "Arhat, I am your father..."
    -the Dark Lord Cod

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    Shi Wan Heng had an incident a few years back, sometime right after Yongxin became abbot. Now, remember, Wan Heng was in his seventies; he's one of the originals who returned after the Cultural Revolution. The inicident was pretty funny, at least, in my mind. Apparently, they were all on tour, I think in Europe somewhere, with some of the performance monks, doing one of the shows. Allegedly, after the performance, some of the audience crowded around the monks, and, because Wan Heng was the oldest, and therefore, probably, the most "distinguished" looking monk there (remember, Yongxin was in his very early thirties at the time), some of the crowd asked him who the real abbot of the Shaolin Temp was.

    I guess he took great humor in it, especially considering the fact that, at that time, many of the older monks took offense to Yongxin's ascension, and, of course, one would expect an abbot to look, well, old. So, with a bit of sarcasm, he told these audience members that he was the abbot. Kind of comical. Got to love it.

    Yongxin found out about it, and didn't. Wan Heng subsequently "left" the temple, for parts unknown in Europe.

    At this point in time, I don't know where he is. I doubt very much that he's teaching; he's not a young guy anymore, and teaching, back in 98 when I met him, was not on his list of things to do.

    In Sweden, Shi Xing Xue is teaching. He's been there for a bit now. I had a link to their web site on this site, but, I'm not sure where it is, now that I've got the new Links section up. You might find their site in the new Links section.
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    • #3
      Hi Arhat,

      I'm coming back to NYC for 4-5 months on this coming Tuesday. I live in Soho, so coming to USa Shaolin temple would be very easy for me. As I told you before, I wanted to check out Yan Ming's teaching while I was in NYC last month. I had trained in the level 1 class a long time ago (one time only) to get the feeling of it, before I moved to London.

      I wanted to see what the level 2 class was all about, and the woman who answered the phone at USA shaolin temple was adament about me not being able to watch a level 2 class. I told her I was Yanzi's student for the past year and a half, and on top of that, I spent 7 months training in in China with YanZhang 7 hours a day. I had hoped that was enough to let her know that I'm serious about my Gong Fu training, and that perhaps she could "bend the rules" a little for a special situation. The answer was no!

      I want to train while I'm in New York, and Yanming is obviously much closer than Guolin, which would make it much easier for me to train more frequently, but I would really like to see what Im getting into, and considering the dedication I have shown, I don't think watching a level 2 class was out of order. I've watched the Chinese train all day long. I would like to see what that class is like before I make a commitment to train there, that's all.

      Was this woman just having a bad day? I was hoping there might be some way I can participate in that class (I would do level 1 class also). But as Yanzi is a San-Shou specialist, I would really like to sparr and work on my San Shou technique while I'm in town. Yanzi is writing me a letter of recommendation, and YanZhang has given me his mobile number so he can speak to Yan Ming also. I will also bring my official"disciple" book from the Shaolin temple (Songshan). Would it be possible to sit down with your Shifu one day and discuss my situation with him, or does that just not happen? I have already taken 3 tests with Yanzi, and I am in his "Oxen" level which is 4th out of 5 levels at Shaolin Temple UK. I will bring my graded exams with me for YanMing to take a look at also, if that will help.

      GuoLin has said he would make special arrangements for training for me, due to the good relationship he has with my Shifus Yanzi and YanZhang, but he is not close to where I live, and it is nowhere near as convenient as USA shaolin temple. I want my training to improve while I'm in NYC for the next 5 months, and although I know how important the "basics" are, I would still like to grow, while I am training in NYC.

      What do you think? Any help would be appreciated.

      Thanx, Hei Hu


      As I said, I would just ultimately like to have the option to train in level 1 and level 2 class.

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      • #4
        balls...

        my browswer constantly times out with this forum. Let's try this again.

        I would forget the phone call. Sifu makes final decisions about this stuff. Nobody sees level two except for level two students, it's sort of protected and more secret, so I could see the person telling the Dalai Lama to stuff it and come to level one. MOst of the people who answer the phones are not any kind of authority, you know, they mostly take messages, give out general info, that kind of stuff. You're a horse of a different color, so they were just following what they tell everyone. I'd say you're in good shape, you have the letter and that's probably all you need.

        He doesn't think too much about the training in Shaolin right now, just so you know. I mean, you could be better than all of us, he's just not easy to impress. I imagine you know a version of Xiao Hong Chuan, but the other 3 forms of level one...well I guess you'd pick them up quick.

        He'll probably want to watch you for a bit, if I know him. Maybe watch you in level one and see how you do. It's just the hoops they make you jump through,having trained in China I'm sure you know all about it.

        Anyway shoot me a PM, or get my email from Lipster and I'll make sure you get a chance to meet him, sit down and go over your situation. Do what he says, even if you have to swallow a little pride, and you'll be rewarded ten fold.

        Why don't you just come down this Tuesday night? Level one is from 7-9, and you can set your watch by him being there for it. I'll let him know to expect you if you want.

        Looking forward to meeting up with you.
        "Arhat, I am your father..."
        -the Dark Lord Cod

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        • #5
          Cool,

          I'll try to make it down Tues. nite then. I've got tons of meetings Tues. afternoon, but should be able to make it. Although I see Lipster all over Russbo forums, I've actually never met him at Shaolin UK. I pretty much keep to myself, so maybe you could send me your email to my private message area on russbo.com.

          How will I recognize you, if I make it down on Tues. nite? I'm an old man,.. ha ha! I'm 38 years old with salt and peppar colored hair, and a bunch of tattoos on my arms. Should I bring gear to train with, or do I have to buy a uniform on the spot?

          What forms do you need to know in level one? I had started learning Xiao Hong Quan with Yanzi before I went to China, so I finished learning that form there and then other forms that follow after that. I kind of got to skip the forms that are of the normal progression before Xiao Hong Quan there, since I had already learned it, (and of course Wu Bu Quan, if you consider that a form). I never had to Learn Lian Huan Quan or Tong Bei, which I would guess are probably the other forms you learn in level one. I've kind of had enough forms, and want to continue working on my San Shou techniques, and sparring.

          I don't claim to be better than anyone, by any means, and never would!! I actually pulled tendons, and tore hamstrings 5 months ago, so my felxibility went way down hill. I'm still recovering, and trying to get my flexibility back to where it was before.

          I have learned:

          Wu Bu Quan
          Xiao Hong Quan
          Lohan Duan Da
          Hei Hu Quan (Black Tiger claw)
          Lohan Shi Ba Shou
          and an Eagle form (that I don't really practice, because I'm not too fond of the applications)

          Tai Ji Chen er Lo Quan 2nd version with the kicks, sweeps and punches

          Da Duan Jing Qi Qong

          Yinshou Gun (stick)

          That's it, and everything is far from perfected, believe me!. Any of that stuff taught at USA Shaolin Temple?

          Would I be allowed to practice my gun (stick) during free practice time there at least? I love that weapon, and really want to learn more, and improve .

          Over and out! , see ya in a few days I guess.


          Thanx for the info and the help! I've got a few friends that I believe train with you. Tricky and Bjork. Do you know them?

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          • #6
            Hei- gotta keep this one fast, short and sweet...

            I'll look out for you Tuesday night. Tomorrow I'll let him know you are coming in to speak with him. Bring something to train in by all means. He'll be impressed with your readyness.

            Tongbei is actually bumped to level 2, because nobody was doing it the way he wanted, so he felt like everybody needed 'more training' before they even start the core curriculum of basic shaolin forms, like the shao and dao hong chuans and tong bei. Level one forms are called Chuji Quantao, Yi Lu Quan, and Er Lu Quan- just basic stance forms. Er Lu is very loooooooooooonnnng though...I don't know if it's the same as the one you list.

            You can train whatever during open practice. Yan Ming knows a lot of staff forms so you will be in good shape there as far as that is concerned.

            I'm not sure about sparring because last I checked not enough students signed up for it. Maybe you will tip the scales.

            I never heard of any of the other monks in the NYC area having a san shou record to speak of anyway, which as i think about it is...interesting. I know from hearsay that Yansi/Yanchang got some of their forms from Yanming.

            Anyway, one day I happened to be late for class, got changed real quick, then hopped on line. There was this short little number next to me with wildly cropped black hair. She had a friend with her.

            After class something about her struck me. I'm a DJ, and her face was VERY familiar. Turns out, it was Bjork. I gave her a lot of props for training right there with the rest of us.

            Never met Tricky.

            If we don't link up off forum before Tuesday, at the temple everyone knows me as Heng Fa. Just ask for me. I'm not exactly a spring chicken myself.
            "Arhat, I am your father..."
            -the Dark Lord Cod

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            • #7
              Right on. I'll be there Tuesday. I own a club on Spring street, and I'm a dj also. Not looking forward to carrying all my record bags to NYC. I just left Yanzi, and he wrote me a good letter to give to your Shifu. I'll come early to do a little stretching also. Really want to spar, there are only so many damn forms to know!! The er lo was my Tai Ji form. Don't know the one you're talking about, but if they're all basic "stance" type forms in level one, I will get really bored, and would really like to be able to train in level 2. Yanzi works our asses off, conditioning wise. I'm sure i could hack it! Any help getting me into level 2 also is appreciated.

              See ya Tusday.


              ps When you say Yansi/YanChang got forms from YanMing, were you referring to Yansi meaning Guolin? All of Guolin's instructional videotapes on forms were made at YanZhang's school in Dengfeng by YanZhang's students and Jaolien. or was that a Yansi typo referring to YanZi. Does YanMing teach proper Eagle Claw by any chance? I'm really into it, and the Chin'na at the moment.
              Last edited by Hei Hu; 10-19-2003, 09:35 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Doc, about Shi Wan Heng...

                Originally posted by arhat
                I heard a rumor that Shi Wan Heng had been, ummmm...relocated to Sweden...I've a friend in Sweden who is interested in training and this led me to wonder about Shi Wan Heng and if you had any news or info about him or his present whereabouts and if he was teaching...

                Andreas Beskow (Shi Yan Seng) is currentley teaching in Sweden at, Shaolin Chan Wu Zhong Xin, His Shifu from Shaolin Si , Shi Yong Ting is also here teaching us.

                so far the web site is under construction, and only in Swedish,
                www.shaolinskolan.com

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                • #9
                  Sweden? Cool. I'm in Sweden. Unfortunately I am nowhere near Andreas Beskow's school (he's in stockholm right?) or the school were Shi Xing Xue teaches (in gothenburg I think. www.shaolin.se).

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                  • #10
                    Well, you're closer to Andreas' school than you are to Dengfeng, China.... Take advantage of it. I know Yong Ting, he's a good monk with a lot of knowledge.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by doc
                      Shi Wan Heng had an incident a few years back, ..............some of the crowd asked him who the real abbot of the Shaolin Temp was.

                      I guess he took great humor in it,................he told these audience members that he was the abbot.
                      .
                      .............................Rflmao ...................




                      and still lmao


                      And let that a be a lesson to ya then .................. speaking sh*t , does not mean you will reap .............. hey what's that parable about sewing and reaping ???????

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                      • #12
                        Well, you're closer to Andreas' school than you are to Dengfeng, China.... Take advantage of it. I know Yong Ting, he's a good monk with a lot of knowledge.

                        A good point. I just got back to Sweden a few days ago from Deng Feng where I've spent a couple months training with Shi Xing Ming at his school. It's been great, and I feel like I've kind of had a taste of what the training can be like. As it looks now, I might even end up in university in the same city where Beskow is...if so, I really might be able to take advantage of it. That would be cool.

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