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    The influences of Chan-Chuang qi-gong therapy on complete blood cell counts in breast cancer patients treated with chemotherapy.

    Source:
    Cancer Nursing [Cancer Nurs] 2006 Mar-Apr; Vol. 29 (2), pp. 149-55.
    Abstract:

    After surgery, breast cancer patients are offered adjuvant chemotherapy to avoid cancer cell spread. During chemotherapy process, neutrophils could fall relatively, and side effects could spike to the peak. Therefore, the medical care personnel should prevent the progression of the side effects. This study aimed to examine the effects of Chan-Chuang qi-gong therapy on complete blood counts in breast cancer patients treated with chemotherapy. This study used a quasi-experimental design. The experiment group (n = 32) received a 21-day Chan-Chuang qi-gong therapy, whereas the control group (n = 35) did not. White blood cells, platelet, and hemoglobin were measured on the day before chemotherapy and on days 8, 15, and 22 during chemotherapy. According to this study, there were significant differences in white blood cells (F = 115.76, P <.001), platelets (F = 25.29, P <.001), and hemoglobin (F = 15.39, P <.001) over the 3-week therapy between the experiment and control groups. Chan-Chuang qi-gong therapy may decrease leukopenia in breast cancer patients treated with chemotherapy. It is recommended conducting more studies on qi-gong and then introducing it in clinical nursing practice at an appropriate time to promote quality of nursing care and quality of patient life.

    There's more...like... a lot more. But its kind of hard to link stuff here to Ebscohost


    Of course..."prove" in science is a bit of a probullshitlematic idea, since the point of science is to test, not prove.

  • #2
    First of all, you'll find these types of "nonsensical" "studies" in nursing journals. No offense to nurses, I've loved many of them, but their journals tend to be a step above Readers Digest.

    Second, as they said themselves, "this study used a quasi-experimental design".

    I still have not found any legitimate medical studies proving or disproving qi gong, though I do have many thoughts on the matter, and I do NOT think that qi gong is disadvantageous. I think it's good, but for different than the usual reasons.
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    • #3
      You're missing the point. It is irrelevant what they called the design of the experiment or how many nurses you know.

      It was still a controlled experiment.

      And the results of this controlled experiment documented a significant difference between the control group and the test group. The test group was instructed to routinely participate in a type of qigong practice; the control group was not. That is the point of the study.

      The point was not to "prove" or "disprove" qigong (whatever that means) but to test the difference in white blood cell, platelet and hemoglobin blood content between two groups of breast cancer patients treated with chemotherapy.

      No Qi balls. No prana. No philosophy. Just numbers.

      From a scientific standpoint, this is a valid observation.

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      • #4
        "quasi-experimental designs" are those types of studies whereby there is NO randomness with respect to assigning people to study groups.

        They could have easily put the fat healthy women in the qi gong group, the more frail sickly, more aggressive tumor women in the control group. Who knows if both groups got the same chemo regimen.

        The numbers are small, and the study can be corrupted by the way the medical team assigned people.

        Therefore, the study means nothing.

        An interesting point though, some of the sentences in that abstract appear to be "chinglish". Where did they get this abstract from? Some Chinese "medical" journal?

        As for the nurses I've known, you should have seen some of them...
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        • #5
          lolo owned!!!

          and doc!!! you bastard! the nurse fantasy is probably the number 1 for me!! nurses really dont dress like they do in pornos and movies but they still look good somehow!

          some of them..
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          • #6
            It's actually an excellent study; there is a lot to be learned from it.

            It just goes to show what I've been saying for a while. You have to really analyze what people say, because what they say, is not necessarily what they try to make you believe they are saying.

            The way that this abstract is written really does suggest, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that qi gong is effective in chemo patients. That's what it "says". But once you really look into it, and tear it apart, you see that not much holds it together. In medicine, we call it massaging the facts. You can take a slew of data, and make it look like anything that you want it to look like. Which is why, you really have to question these things.

            We see this ALL THE TIME in modern western medical journals, even the biggies. Doctors and researchers massage the statistics to demonstrate what they'd like to portray; some because they truly believe in what they are saying, others because they want to be the "first" to suggest it (which gets your name eventually in medical textbooks, others because writing papers is the way to increases in position and salary.

            DC, this was an excellent demonstration of this concept. It's easy to get waylaid with these things; it happens all the time. You have no idea how many times I've seen key concepts in medicine sway back and forth over the years; things that originally were written in stone, thrown away, brought back, on and on. It's all part of the educational process.

            Now if someone does a similar study, with a large group of people (in the hundreds or thousands), and randomly assign those people to the two groups, that would wash out the effect of suggestion and make the resulting evidence more appealing.
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            • #7
              Here you go.


              From The American Journal of Chinese Medicine, Vol. 34, No. 5, 741–747
              The Effects of Baduanjin Qigong in the
              Prevention of Bone Loss for
              Middle-Aged Women

              Abstract: This study aimed to assess the efficacy of a 12-week Baduanjin qigong training
              program in preventing bone loss for middle-aged women. An experimental design was adopted,
              and subjects were assigned randomly into an experimental group (n = 44) and a control group
              (n = 43). The experimental group received a 12-week Baduanjin qigong training program,
              whereas the control group did not. Interleukin-6 (IL-6) and bone mineral density (BMD) were
              measured before and after the intervention. The results showed significant differences in IL-6
              (
              t = 5.19, p < 0.000) and BMD (t = 1.99, p = 0.049) between the groups. Baduanjin reduced
              IL-6 and maintained BMD in the experimental group. In conclusion, this study demonstrates
              promising efficacy of Baduanjin in preventing bone loss commonly occurring in middleaged
              women. Thus, Baduanjin is valuable for promoting and maintaining the health status of

              middle-aged women.


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              • #8
                Just yesterday I mentioned that sometimes you really see nonsense in established and trusted western medical journals. And today, in MSNBC, we get this:

                Mass. doctor accused of fabricating pain studies

                Anesthesiologist made up favorable data on Vioxx, Celebrex, hospital says

                BOSTON - A Massachusetts anesthesiologist has been accused of faking data for a dozen years in 21 published studies that suggested after-surgery benefits from painkillers including Vioxx and Celebrex.

                Dr. Scott Reuben, who is on leave from Springfield’s Baystate Medical Center, studied the use of several drugs to relieve pain and speed recovery after surgery.

                The hospital said a routine review in May found that some of Reuben’s research was not approved by an internal hospital review board. Further investigation found 21 papers published in anesthesiology journals between 1996 and 2008 in which Reuben made up some or all data. Hospital officials said Reuben did not admit to the fabrications. The doctor couldn’t be reached for comment.

                “Dr. Reuben deeply regrets that this happened,” said his attorney, Ingrid Martin. “Dr. Reuben cooperated fully with the peer review committee. There were extenuating circumstances that the committee fairly and justly considered.”

                The hospital asked the journals to retract the studies, some of which reported favorable results from painkillers including Pfizer Inc.’s Bextra, Celebrex and Lyrica and Merck & Co. Inc.’s Vioxx. His studies also claimed Wyeth’s antidepressant Effexor could be used as a painkiller.

                Vioxx and Bextra — among a class of painkillers known as Cox-2 inhibitors — were pulled from the market amid mounting evidence they raised the risk of heart attack, stroke and death. Celebrex is the only Cox-2 inhibitor still on the market. Lyrica is a treatment for fibromyalgia.

                Pfizer gave Reuben five research grants between 2002 and 2007. He also was a member of the company’s speakers bureau, giving talks about Pfizer drugs to colleagues.

                Pfizer said in a statement it was “not involved in the conduct of any of these independent studies or in the interpretation or publication of the study results.”

                The investigation was first reported by the trade publication, Anesthesiology News.

                The journal Anesthesia & Analgesia retracted 10 of Reuben’s studies last month. The journal Anesthesiology said it retracted three.

                “Doctors have been using (his) findings very widely,” said Dr. Steven Shafer, editor of Anesthesia and Analgesia. “His findings had a huge impact on the field.”
                DC, awesome find. As you can see, this whole thread has been an eye opener for all. Including me.
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                • #9
                  Yea, it really boils down to the fact that people put too much stock into the autority behind which studies are published. In the end you just have to know how to interpret data (and not to trust dirty, dirty Jews...).

                  I've got a couple of pretty amazing case studies on PDF about cancer rehab if you guys are interested.

                  I have to admit tho you nailed me pretty damn good with the random/non-random thing.

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                  • #10
                    Did not mean to. It's a great demonstration of how one word can change a supposedly really meaningful commentary to probable bullshit. I'm glad you brought it up. Great stuff.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Maestro View Post
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                      and doc!!! you bastard! the nurse fantasy is probably the number 1 for me!! nurses really dont dress like they do in pornos and movies but they still look good somehow!
                      They do out here...
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                      • #12
                        ill be sure to get hurt often then lolo

                        when i arrive u b rdy 2 spar n dont hold back lolo!!
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                        • #13
                          Well, here's another prime example of what I would call a nonsensical study, which has been in the internet news (MSNBC, my favorite far left news organization).

                          Multiple sclerosis may lower risk of cancer
                          Analysis of 20,000 shows patients with disease have 10 percent lower risk


                          LONDON - People with multiple sclerosis may have a lower risk of cancer, possibly because of lifestyle changes they make after they are diagnosed with the neurological condition, researchers said on Monday.

                          An analysis of the medical records of more than 20,000 people with multiple sclerosis showed that patients had a 10 percent lower risk of cancer over 35 years than people without MS.

                          "We speculate that the lower risk for cancer among people with MS could be a result of lifestyle changes or treatment following diagnosis," Shahram Bahmanyar of Sweden's Karolinksa Institute, who led the study, said in a statement.
                          Of course, the two study groups are very different indeed; people with MS tend not to do the activities that people without MS do (depending upon their limitation, and, people with MS tend not to live as long as people without.

                          To say that having MS lowers the risk of cancer is, well, absurd. Amazing what you can find in medical journals.
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                          • #14
                            im going to do a charity walk for MS in april

                            and who cares when you die, now or 50 years from now. cancer..

                            not on my list of things to care about. but it is my zodiac lol

                            and...dont u have better things to do in thailand then that?!? u must have just gotten some poon and decided killing zombies wasnt good enough tonight....
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                            • #15
                              No Maestro, just trying to provoke some educational thought here.

                              Can't kill zombies anymore, the internet speeds have gone to hell. Along with my head; developed vertigo on Saturday when Decheng was here. Vertigo, now that's an interesting experience to say the least....

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