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  • Church of the 7 churches of revelations .............

    anyone?????


    I could leave it open here as a koan, but just to avoid total eoseterism ( meant for only a select few ) ; I was having a chat with an educated anti - UN anti-shaolin christian man last night ( over and after a great contraversially politically loud China meets America simpsons episode ) when he directed me to the revelations chapters in the back of his bible. I did actually read some of it this morning in fairness to him ( and for the first time ever btw ) . Being that shaolin is an off and on topic of interest here, and in light of the current international poilitical situations ( China / Japan spats : shaolin's unesco app: new Aust/US/China:Japan trade agreements etc and recent election of ex-nazi germany traditional purist preservationist pope ( Benadict XVI) and so on, I thought it might be interesting to note the first chapter of that revelation section and what exactly they're selling there.


    Who'd have guessed that Jesus told John that the truth lay only in the 7 churches of Asia and he wrote a whole freaking chapter of work about how great he came to think it was!!!??? Particularly for ch'an practioners or christians or whoever has ever asked a question about it, feel free to have a read . Poinient piece in informed nuetrualities IMO. lol............. amusing insight!


    cheers
    "honestly girls dont seem to want anything other then whatever they want "atm" then that can always change:"
    maestro's love genius.

    first we work to live, then we live to work, ..& then when someone else can do it good enough without us - we can all run off and die.
    Blooming tianshi lotus

    "find something & thatd turn me on.." drahillionaire, warren buffet.

    'if you keep going, eventually you get there' chuck norris

  • #2
    Originally posted by blooming tianshi lotus
    recent election of ex-nazi germany traditional purist preservationist pope ( Benadict XVI) and so on, I thought it might be interesting to note the first chapter of that revelation section and what exactly they're selling there.

    cheers
    Aha! I suspected as much. I saw his picture and read about his age and where he was from, I said to myself, "I hope he doesn't go killing any Jews." The guy was in his prime in the heat of Nazism. But anyhow, if the reference to Asian religion is in the bible, it is a very interesting insight.

    But did you say the revalations you read were talking about..."China / Japan spats : shaolin's unesco app: new Aust/US/China:Japan trade agreements etc and recent election of ex-nazi germany traditional purist preservationist pope ( Benadict XVI)"?

    If so, wtf, and if not, wtf, I do not see how the topics coincide. At all.
    Becoming what I've dreamed about.

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    • #3
      Not at all. What I said ( or inferred ) was that, in history past, there have been certain groups and race and sub -divisions of each of those who hold and work toward preserving traditional purist ideals and states. Besides the nazis ( methods and so forth aside) , Japan ( who supported and faught nxt to Russia at a time in manchu history when fighting with the now WC triads branching from affliations (via ng moi )with Shaolin and co against the new , post Cultural revoloution prc created under the influence and duressical situational of western specifically US ( trade potential) was one.


      Now that they (at similar time to China )have signed those very new trade arrangements with the west, Japan with their obvious or not so alteriors, vs China and their blatancies( as direct opposition to their mutual goals) , don't seem to want the other team to play for reasons of their own.
      Unesco ( sub-branch of the worlds leading protective enforcement body) climaxes toward it's desicion in this regard on prc us influenced and goaled china vs taditional china ( re all your shaolins and triads and so on) . Chian is also officially fyi ,one of the world's top three most attractive political potentials to all world powers . The reason for this lays somewhere between actual land in acres and ppl per / square. China is rich in ppl, rescource and land. They have no money though and harsh conditions leading to certain life quality percpetions and vulnerabilties, and so are somewhat spot lit. Japan is and always has been clear on their own stance, as has Taiwan on so forth, and the world is watching now with anticipation and numerous plans to effect , as the giants of international inforcement plan to slam the hammer and make some calls only they can enforce.
      Imo , the control of China comes down to being between the US and allied forces and Russia it's.
      What most ppl don't realise is that A: the US is already subordinate to the Nutrueal to most but peace UN councils , and Russia has been having quiet back seat affairs with China since the whole thing started.
      It's such an intense time subtley in the creation of history to come and closure of histories past, that I'm nearly ready to make a new date with my Russian foriegn minster babe friend. As bodhissatva and proffessor in chan myself with papers stil to write, it's an interesting dynamic.

      Great story in all of this and hopefully if Fahui doesn't get to it first, someone else will.

      Stay tuned ( and for those on cable try cctv 1 and 9 )

      cheers

      BL
      Last edited by blooming tianshi lotus; 04-20-2005, 04:27 AM.
      "honestly girls dont seem to want anything other then whatever they want "atm" then that can always change:"
      maestro's love genius.

      first we work to live, then we live to work, ..& then when someone else can do it good enough without us - we can all run off and die.
      Blooming tianshi lotus

      "find something & thatd turn me on.." drahillionaire, warren buffet.

      'if you keep going, eventually you get there' chuck norris

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      • #4
        i'm sorry BL, but until you put together a coherent sentence, it just isn't worth it to try to guess what you're saying.

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        • #5
          Is that so Zachsan???


          In closing on this one, and particularly for yourself being so christian and this is "your book" , it might be interesting for you to consider that according to that "revelation" author "John The Devine" and Imo his interperetation on Jesus' lessons, Our saving grace in all of this is that we ourselves are human also and we will die like the lamb. It's then that we will see that nothing changed ( regardless of how we got there) and never really did.

          Lol @ humanity and words complicating "reality" for a start and thx god for chan and thesuggestion of an empty mind .


          cheers

          BL
          "honestly girls dont seem to want anything other then whatever they want "atm" then that can always change:"
          maestro's love genius.

          first we work to live, then we live to work, ..& then when someone else can do it good enough without us - we can all run off and die.
          Blooming tianshi lotus

          "find something & thatd turn me on.." drahillionaire, warren buffet.

          'if you keep going, eventually you get there' chuck norris

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          • #6
            Thank god we have reality shows to now show us our reality....
            practice wu de

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            • #7
              Btw Daodejing : just remember what you were you asking my advice on back there in your "oh help me pms " , with your agreeing on my lack of whateverthef*ck you're claiming bs...........mmk Mr.rational !!

              Cheers and how's she going btw???

              Blooming Lotus



              PS : lol @ the whole stupid eval system ( considering who's ranking a plasma these days ) but What the f*ck happened to my stars????!!!!!
              "honestly girls dont seem to want anything other then whatever they want "atm" then that can always change:"
              maestro's love genius.

              first we work to live, then we live to work, ..& then when someone else can do it good enough without us - we can all run off and die.
              Blooming tianshi lotus

              "find something & thatd turn me on.." drahillionaire, warren buffet.

              'if you keep going, eventually you get there' chuck norris

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              • #8
                i'm sorry BL, but until you put together a coherent sentence, it just isn't worth it to try to guess what you're saying.
                And I'm also sorry for having to say this, but I got to admit that after seeing a long post by BL, my current reaction is to..... cringe.

                Not sure if my teeth will be able to handle all her posts...

                BL, I'm sending you my next dentist bill.
                g
                ZhongwenMovies.com

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                • #9
                  haha, holy shit, i'm christian!!! this is huge. i'm going to have to take some time to consider this new information.

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                  • #10
                    Can you find and post the relevant section of the bible that pertains to this??
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                    • #11
                      Prologue
                      1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw–that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
                      Greetings and doxology
                      4John,

                      To the seven churches in the province of Asia:

                      Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

                      To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father–to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. 7Look, he is coming with the clouds,
                      and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
                      and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.

                      8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
                      One like a Son of Man
                      9I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

                      12I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,”[b]dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp doubleedged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

                      17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

                      19“Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels[c] of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.


                      Revelation 2
                      To the church in Ephesus
                      1"To the angel[a] of the church in Ephesus write:

                      These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands: 2I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary. 4Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love. 5Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. 6But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
                      To the Church in Smyrna
                      8"To the angel of the church in Smyrna write:

                      These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. 9I know your afflictions and your poverty-yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life. 11He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.
                      To the Church in Pergamum
                      12"To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:

                      These are the words of him who has the sharp, doubleedged sword. 13I know where you live-where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city-where Satan lives. 14Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality. 15Likewise you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. 16Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. 17He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.
                      To the Church in Thyatira
                      18"To the angel of the church in Thyatira write:

                      These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. 19I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first. 20Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. 24Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan's socalled deep secrets (I will not impose any other burden on you): 25Only hold on to what you have until I come. 26To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations– 27‘He will rule them with an iron scepter;
                      he will dash them to pieces like pottery’[b]– just as I have received authority from my Father. 28I will also give him the morning star. 29He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.


                      Revelation 3
                      To the Church in Sardis
                      1"To the angel[a] of the church in Sardis write:

                      These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits[b]of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. 3Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. 4Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. 5He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. 6He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
                      To the Church in Philadelphia
                      7"To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

                      These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars–I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. 10Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. 13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
                      To the Church in Laodicea
                      14"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

                      These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm–neither hot nor cold–I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”


                      The Throne in Heaven
                      1After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. 3And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled the throne. 4Surrounding the throne were twentyfour other thrones, and seated on them were twentyfour elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. 5From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits[a] of God. 6Also before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.

                      In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under his wings. Day and night they never stop saying: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.” 9Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10the twentyfour elders fall down before him who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say: 11“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things,
                      and by your will they were created
                      and have their being.”


                      I'm a little lost here....
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                      • #12
                        Christianity, the bible, and lost, all in the same notion...

                        Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
                        really


                        you are not alone.
                        practice wu de

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                        • #13
                          I totally understand and apparently you're not alone. Seriously busy this week and despite the reps points I've lost, i'm just going to have to get back to you all when I can. Imo , that John guy was just ribbing you on your vulnerablities of having words pon words pon worded concept to complicate your complicated human shit and I expolited them. Sorry if you you missed it and more sorry if I made you think on something you weren't ready for !

                          Zachsan : whatever ha............


                          Bl
                          "honestly girls dont seem to want anything other then whatever they want "atm" then that can always change:"
                          maestro's love genius.

                          first we work to live, then we live to work, ..& then when someone else can do it good enough without us - we can all run off and die.
                          Blooming tianshi lotus

                          "find something & thatd turn me on.." drahillionaire, warren buffet.

                          'if you keep going, eventually you get there' chuck norris

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