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  • doc
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    From El Pais:


    The crimes committed by Bilbao’s bogus kung fu master Juan Carlos Aguilar, which have left the Basque city in a state of shock and revulsion, on the face of it have been solved: the confessed killer is in custody, although the search for victims goes on. The Ertzaintza regional police force also has to profile the kind of killer Aguilar is. It remains unclear if the 47-year-old with a narcissistic and arrogant personality is an opportunist who murdered Mauren Ada Ortuya, a 29-year-old Nigerian, and Jenny Sofía Rebollo, a 40-year-old Colombian, or whether the women’s deaths form part of the grim work of a serial killer.

    The investigation will now focus on Aguilar’s past, in particular the 1997 death of his brother, who was supposedly crushed by an elevator at the same gymnasium that is now cordoned off as a double murder scene. Was it genuinely accidental? The missing persons database will also be scrutinized by police for cases in the Bilbao area. The search will focus primarily on women, but investigators are conscious that Aguilar may have sought vulnerable victims who leave little documented trace, including prostitutes and immigrants.

    Jenny Sofía Rebollo was reported missing a few days after she had died. The Colombian community in Bilbao closed ranks around her, but other testimony indicated she had been moving in increasingly marginalized circles.

    Profiling Aguilar is the authorities’ top priority. “We came across this killer by chance,” says a member of the homicide department. “It was not the result of an investigation. In that case we would have been under intense pressure in the knowledge that there was a killer out there and that we had to track him down. We are calm because he is in custody and cannot kill anyone else, but we have to look into his past and find out when he first killed and whether he did so on more occasions. We are not in a hurry: we are going to take our time over this.”

    We came across this killer by chance; at least we know he cannot kill again"

    The Ertzaintza is confident of finding useful information on the hard drive of Aguilar’s personal computer and those at the offices of his company. The timescale for the clues being sought begins in 1994 when Aguilar returned from China, where he claims to have trained at the Shaolin Temple in Henan. On his return Aguilar embarked on a 20-year career in martial arts in which the commercial aspect superseded the spiritual.

    In 1996 he tried to set up a franchise in Berlin in partnership with, among others, kung fu master Thomas Beyse. From there Aguilar was determined to be considered the representative of the Shaolin Temple in Spain. It was during this period that Aguilar’s brother, who according to testimony introduced Aguilar to kung fu after discovering an affinity for the martial art during a visit to the US, died at the gymnasium Aguilar owned on Máximo Aguirre street in Bilbao.

    It was after his brother’s supposed accident that Aguilar’s business began to flourish and his became a familiar face on television, in newspapers and specialist magazines. He began to enjoy great popularity within martial arts circles but also sparked controversy among his closest disciples. He demanded obedience and money from people who had trained under him but wanted to go their own way. He became more and more difficult to deal with and his sense of self-importance grew and developed into a studied mysticism that did not endear him to many within the kung fu sphere. Aguilar changed his name to an Orientalized version — Huang. C. — and began to style himself as a Shaolin master.

    However, Shaolin Temple Spain, the only center in the country that is recognized by the Shaolin Temple in China, has confirmed that Aguilar is neither a Shaolin master nor a monk. Shi Fu Carlos Álvarez, a master and instructor at Shaolin Temple Spain, said that Aguilar “lacks all of the requisites to be a monk. Unfortunately, many Chinese certificates are obtained in an irregular manner,” he added.

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  • Uwe
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    A sad ending and more bad press for martial artists.

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  • doc
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    "Not sure where that thread is..." Duh, it's this one. OK, the wife doesn't let me spend too much time in front of the computer anymore.

    Here's the thread on cults which is very informative: http://forum.russbo.com/showthread.p...erns-Behaviors

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  • doc
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    We talked about him a while ago; after he created a cult like following in Spain at his so called temple after describing himself as a "shaolin monk". Not sure where that thread is.

    But we've seen this sort of behavior before with cults, haven't we....

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  • J-schum
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    I just read the back story.
    Doc, can you fill in the 1995 meeting details?
    Any hint this guy was going from Martin Luther to Hannibal Lecter? Besides the creepy way he was molesting his dagger in the linked video from post #51.

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  • LFJ
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    I wouldn't say it's a good thing this happened anywhere. They found bags of bones possibly from several humans in his gym! Hopefully that "German Delegation MBOT" person wasn't one of the victims. He did stop posting in this thread back in '09...

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  • Maestro
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    lol, its a good thing this happened in spain...what a world

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  • LFJ
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    Told you this nutcase was BS... Let's continue to defend him now, huh?

    He's a damn serial killer!!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/03/juan-carlos-aguilar-shaolin-master-murder_n_3380340.html

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  • mbokohutu
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    Originally posted by doc View Post
    YouTube - Beer Bottle Breaking Tutorial

    Well, there's one...

    BTW, beer bottles and other such conveyances are not the strongest pieces of glass, especially in the area of the bottle neck.
    This guy cheats. He filled the bottle almost full with water.

    When he can do it with a bottle with a little bit of liquid in the bottom, then he has something.

    It's funny how something so pointless can impress people. The instructor wanted me to do it for class one day when there were new people there. They all gasped and looked at me like "Wow!"

    It meant nothing. My kung fu is terrible. The demo is just a trick.

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  • doc
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    I like the Japanese martial arts. Spent a lot of time training in them in the past. Good stuff.

    I don't like this master worship nonsense though (found in all martial arts). This video really puts that into perspective.

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  • Maestro
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    japanese martial artists...

    i think gordon liu said it best, "japanese fat heads" lol

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  • doc
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    This video, pointed out to me by Uwe, kind of reminded me of this thread

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJsr15eab0g&feature=related"]YouTube - Karate Master Slices his Assistants throat[/ame]

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  • LFJ
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    Originally posted by German Delegation MBOT View Post
    We don't use any deceptional recruitment tecniques,
    this whole thread is a deceptive recruitment technique- placing easily performed parlor tricks (see doc's previous youtube link) in the "qigong" section.

    there is no use of false information
    you say aguilar is a fully ordained monk and abbot of a buddhist monastery, but you cannot prove his ordination or even who his preceptors were.

    i am not tryinig to cover something up.
    of course, you have little experiential knowledge of buddhism and monastic traditions (you said the buddha never established an ordained sangha). so its just that you dont know any better.

    otherwise i would say using many pictures of aguilar with various monks to be a cover-up for his lack of full ordaination as a buddhist monk. keeping in mind, until now you have not been able to prove his full ordination which should be quite easy.

    I for my part have tried to be perfectly honest with you and anybody else in this discussion, and so has anybody else that i know from our organisation...
    thats commendable of you all. unfortunately you dont know any better.

    If you have any proove for these accusations, please step forward and say it formally,
    i have stepped forward to request the names of aguilar's preceptors, three teachers and seven witnesses- which were unable to be provided.

    i believe this should be proof enough that he lacks any ordination as a buddhist monk. if not you are welcome to provide that information to prove his ordination at any time. after all you are the one making the claims.

    noone ever answered my three times asked question about the exhibition in which he uses a frontal stabbing motion to shoot of the top of the bottle with his fingers...
    this is not qigong power. it is merely physics and brute strength.

    besides, aguilar's fingers were all bloody in those pictures- meaning he didnt perform the tricks correctly.

    And that was what Huang Aguilar did when he decided to not be a part of any existing Buddhist lines.
    ..and therefore cannot claim full ordination, abbotship, or run a buddhist monastery, as that suggests some sort of buddhist monastic line.

    since he chooses not to be part of any existing buddhist line, the most he can do is run a religious center as a director- especially if what he teaches is not buddhism, but something of his own creation.
    Last edited by LFJ; 01-20-2009, 04:04 AM.

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  • doc
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    However your last sentence could also be seen as an insult, claiming that me myself, and other students of Huang Aguilar would not be intelligent.
    Was not directed at you or any of your people. Just a general comment. More a commentary on the state of the world than anything else.

    i was speaking about reformists like Luther...Because thats exactly what he did. And that was what Huang Aguilar did when he decided to not be a part of any existing Buddhist lines... Actually this belongs to the first teachings of the Master Aguilar in his Zen-Classes also. And anybody in our organisation....
    If he did not want to be "part of any existing Buddhist lines..." then why is his website called "shaolinmonastery"?

    And you have an organization. Huang is not teaching along any accepted Buddhist lines. What exactly is he teaching? Do you have some examples?

    And how many are in your group?

    Just curious.

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  • German Delegation MBOT
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    What i was trying to say, was that the site in this new appeareance is one month old, and therefor not yet finished. Of course the website itself (including the counter) is more than 8 years old.

    Your other statements (even if you are so clever to never fully make a statement ), and the definitions for your categories, that you want to put us in, are based on assumptions or prejudices, that dont have any proove or rational reason for and therefor i assume, that what you want to do is to insult or discredit. Even if you always try to pull yourself out of it by saying: "dont get me wrong, i love you" your intentions are clear. Also the fact that you are even now surfing on the website, trying to find things that can be seen negatively somehow, is symptomatic for this kind of behaviour. (Please excuse my poor vocabulary...)

    We don't use any deceptional recruitment tecniques, there is no use of false information i am not tryinig to cover something up. I for my part have tried to be perfectly honest with you and anybody else in this discussion, and so has anybody else that i know from our organisation... If you have any proove for these accusations, please step forward and say it formally, so we know were we stand If you do not have any proove, please be true to your liberal and intellectual claim, stop picking and come back to the root of this conversation.

    For example, noone ever answered my three times asked question about the exhibition in which he uses a frontal stabbing motion to shoot of the top of the bottle with his fingers...Since we are making assumptions: That non-answering and the silence about it, seems a bit symptomical of trying to avoid something, maybe something that is difficult to explain...

    I'm not saying that Huang is running a cult. Don't get me wrong. I am just providing information. I expect people to question. Then investigate. Evaluate. And eventually make their own decisions.

    You expect that from intelligent people.
    Dear Doc,

    I expect people to question, to think and investigate, evaluate and making their own decisions also. In Fact that "questioning" was what i was trying to point out when i was speaking about reformists like Luther...Because thats exactly what he did. And that was what Huang Aguilar did when he decided to not be a part of any existing Buddhist lines. I am perfectly conform with you. I wonder why you think i would not be. Actually this belongs to the first teachings of the Master Aguilar in his Zen-Classes also. And anybody in our organisation is beeing called to do so. This is why this monastery is not a cult or anything similar (By the way: Similarities to Cults can be heavily found in any religion, even in Christianity or Buddhism itself). It is an open and free project, in which freedom comes first. The whole idea of Zen is to "awaken", so that people would see the world with different eyes, would see it as it is. Questioning is very important on that way. I do and did it just the same, and i hope i did not give an impression of the contrary, I tried to be very open in my answers to anybody and hoped i would not give this wrong impression. Instead i wanted to show, that my reasons are perfectly rational. So i dont get why you are now trying to go this way...

    However your last sentence could also be seen as an insult, claiming that me myself, and other students of Huang Aguilar would not be intelligent. I guess you left that meaning open for choice. But I dont think that stitches like that are necesarry, do you?
    Last edited by German Delegation MBOT; 01-19-2009, 11:46 AM.

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