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  1. Well considering the OP has not followed up or...

    Well considering the OP has not followed up or specified what all he has searched one can only assume what he is looking for. Who knows maybe he posted that on purpose. Yes I would have to agree...
  2. Well, just really depends what style of shaolin...

    Well, just really depends what style of shaolin you are looking for. There are lots of shaolin schools. I would recommend these for the LA area.

    http://www.shaolinca.com/
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    You're right about that too in that you need not...

    You're right about that too in that you need not be concerned with what some of the students of the monks think of shaolin and their shifu. You can still carry on your crusade. Really, how much of...
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    HAHAHA working on something? No. I have said all...

    HAHAHA working on something? No. I have said all there is to say about the matter. Lets see...we are on page 25 now? Still no one thinks any different. The pile of shit is being shoveled higher and...
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    Doc, would you still think the same if XW stayed...

    Doc, would you still think the same if XW stayed and the school turned out well? Or do you believe this only because of what happened?

    I think you learned a lot about the "other guys" only...
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    The thought that shaolin doesn't care about what...

    The thought that shaolin doesn't care about what these guys do has crossed my mind. Why should we? Interesting that you mention the word control. When there is too much control there is always some...
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    Doc, a lot of what you said makes sense. I think...

    Doc, a lot of what you said makes sense. I think for the most part everyone here would agree in the state shaolin is in today. In the times of yore no, I dont believe the two were separated (buddhism...
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    Well....I didn't say "non-religious monks". I was...

    Well....I didn't say "non-religious monks". I was trying to refer to my previous points about the wuseng not being considered a "fully ordained monk". I have been trying to get that point across in...
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    depends on which side of the window you are...

    depends on which side of the window you are looking through.


    I look at the term "monk" very loosely. Can there be a division within this term? I would say yes...why cant there bet? Yes, wuseng...
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    Well then...... The End!

    Well then......



    The End!
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    Master lu Well then I guess we just don't...

    Master lu

    Well then I guess we just don't understand each other do we? What I am telling you is that you should go out and seek your own answers....do not rely in on too much of what people tell...
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    Master lu, You are just not understanding what...

    Master lu,

    You are just not understanding what I am trying to say, what I said and you are not seeing the big picture. What's the use? Your mind is made up already and nothing is going to change...
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    The other fraudulent schools are not the issue...

    The other fraudulent schools are not the issue here? Why? My god you and Iron cross are on the great crusade to redeem shaolin. I would think this would cover all of shaolin not just a few selected...
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    Yes you can be too consumed with what a peson...

    Yes you can be too consumed with what a peson does. It's a political trick. If you can't win a losing election what do you see most politicians do to each other? Attack the individial's character to...
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    Idolize? Worship? Don't be absurd. Horrible? How...

    Idolize? Worship? Don't be absurd. Horrible? How did we come this? because they are martial monks? Teach Shaolin? Continue on the tradition? Lead normal lives instead of your movie expectated ones?...
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    Baiwanxi, glad you liked the references I posted....

    Baiwanxi, glad you liked the references I posted. Gene Ching has had just as many trips to shaolin as Doc has including making some documentaries. While he is more "pro shaolin" a lot of people just...
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    Interesting you say that because I have had a...

    Interesting you say that because I have had a selected few on other forums swear by their life that Xiao Hung and Da hong is not traditional shaolin forms. Again they just sat back and flamed the...
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    I read all of it. You are not getting it. You...

    I read all of it. You are not getting it. You basically answered your own questions when you yourself typed "We do criticize most of shaolin of today" You guys absolutely do not agree with what I am...
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    Don't take it literally...was more just a figure...

    Don't take it literally...was more just a figure of speech.

    These "non-believers" seem to present evidence (and even then it's not concrete evidence) in a manner that just causes debates, puts...
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    Yea, Wuseng are not FULLY ordained religious...

    Yea, Wuseng are not FULLY ordained religious "monks". What's the confusion here?
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    Really? Well your words/posts contradict...

    Really? Well your words/posts contradict otherwise. You and few others are presenting information in a manner in which you seem to think you know about and in reality it's nothing more then a severe...
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    I can't resist this one. Yes I ask people like...

    I can't resist this one. Yes I ask people like yourself and Iron Cross what they think constitutes a real shaolin monk....since there are so many self proclaimed shaolin masters that post here and...
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    Strange, sounds like the definition of a wuseng...

    Strange, sounds like the definition of a wuseng monk. hmph!
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    ahhh ok so its learning wushu from a coach that...

    ahhh ok so its learning wushu from a coach that studied in a university is better than learning wushu from a shaolin monk at shaolin is the meat and butter of your argument? wow. Yes shaolin changes...
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    Iron Cross, I have noticed a trend with you...

    Iron Cross, I have noticed a trend with you regarding when you are asked direct questions. You keep dodging the questions. This is the second or third time now that I have asked you a direct question...
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