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  • The treatment of cancer.

    Hi Doc,

    Thanks for getting back to me. I'm sorry to hear about your xxx, as you probably know cancer is very tied into emotional experiences and attachment and most of the success stories of patients dealing with their cancer have involved accepting the disease and letting go of deep-seated beliefs and changing their lifestyle patterns completely.

    Of course needless to say, chi gong is highly beneficial as are some chinese herbal treatments. However, these must be coupled with the belief that you can cure any illness that your body may have, and positive thoughts toward recovery through meditation are essential. I say this not as some hap-hazard opinion, but through experience. My mother is a natural therapist and has had a great deal of success treating cancer patients through massage and natural therapies with the help of my old chinese master in Sydney who is also a chinese herbalist and master of accupuncture. Without a doubt though, the most success comes from the state of the patients mind, which, in most cases is the most difficult thing to heal. If I were to give you anything of value that I have learned it would be the following; do not accept what the western doctors tell you as the only answer. Most of the time their synopsis suggests that there is no recovery other than through chemotherapy, this is bull****. My uncle has been fighting cancer for some time and his best success to date has come through chinese herbs and changing his lifestyle, including his mental state.

    I hope my opinion does not offend you, but this is the same thing I would say to my friends, except that I would tell them to leave where they are living, give up their current lifestyle and find a good chi gong master and herbalist, forget everything they are doing and focus on healing themselves as a priority. In our western culture this seems like a far out extreme and probably crazy thing to do, in china it would be the only thing to do.


    In China, that's not "the only thing to do".

    In China, they die.

    And have I got one hell of a story about that. One hell of a story. I just haven't brought myself to write about it yet. It's a bit too emotional for me, still. One day....

    We have a different perception of human life, in this country and in ours. Here, human life apparently has a much higher value. And we prove it, by getting one consultant after another to evaluate our loved ones. We get one attorney after another to evaluate "the case" one our loved ones die, and die, "without good reason". It becomes a nightmare sometimes.

    I've taken care of friends who have had cancer, and supplemented their care with TCM herbs, from the best doctor specialists in Beijing.

    They've died.

    Now, in my professional career, I've seen some great cancer successes with surgery. I've also seen some success, and at least remissions, with chemotherapy. I've seen little success with radiotherapy (the cancers are usually too inaccessible at that time). But, I've seen one hell of a lot of good with modern western medicine.

    I haven't seen that with TCM. And I've played with it personally. And in some cases, I've written about it on the website, somewhere. In multiple places.

    So, I do understand your point. And I do agree with you, that the treatment of chronic disease, does have an emotional component. An emotional component that does not cause the disease, nor an emotional component that, once treated, cures the disease. Just, an accompanying emotional component. An emotional component that can be a nightmare in and of itself.

    If you notice, Beijing, and China in general, is moving towards western medicine, more and more. They have not given up on their TCM. But they are learning, and using, more and more western medicine.

    Because it works.

    It will be interesting to see what the gang has to say about this.
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    The best cancer care usually comes from a marriage of medicines. TCM can do wonders helping a patient to recover strength after chemotherapy and radiation. As with both medicines patients prospects are far better with early detection. Although TCM isn't going to detecting a tumour through labwork, it's possible to spot the qi, blood, and phlegm stagnations which can become cancers years before any battery of allopathic tests will identify them. The key is regular, skilled, medical care. The best doctors treat sickness before it manifests into symptoms. Unfortunately, most of our new patients as TCM practitioners, are not in the early stages of anything. They are horribly advanced and looking to you for a miracle. Sometimes we can provide that miracle. Sometimes it's just too late. Sometimes the only way to heal a patient is to help them transform. There are times when the only reasonable acupuncture treatment you can perform on a patient is to moxa Du 20 in order to help the spirit leave the body.
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    • #3
      no no no, this is all wrong. don't these people realize, all they need to do is attend a few weekend seminars with WKK and their cancer will be gone forever!

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      • #4
        I was wondering when the WKK tie in was going to occur.
        it's possible to spot the qi, blood, and phlegm stagnations which can become cancers years before any battery of allopathic tests will identify them
        I'd like to hear more about this. It's one hell of an allegation.
        There are times when the only reasonable acupuncture treatment you can perform on a patient is to moxa Du 20 in order to help the spirit leave the body.
        And this, as I've never heard of this before.
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        • #5
          lol...

          my buddy Tommy the Butcher is a master of using acupuncture to help the spirit leave the body, but you have to let him use his own special acupuncture tools.

          - zach

          p.s. doc, if i had my way, every thread would have a WKK tie-in.

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          • #6
            Well, in TCM cancer is the end result of a very longterm stagnation of something. So you start trying to break up the block, restore the proper flow of qi and blood, and treat the underlying disorder which caused the stagnation in the first place. It's not that the practitioner is going to say, oh **** this might be cancerous in ten years, its more a matter of oh dear you have blood stagnation, we should treat that. Although, we have been told that when a patient has blood stagnation there is usually a fixed, immovable mass, accompanied by a horrible stabbing pain. However, sometimes people have blood stagnation, mass and all, with no pain. In this case the tumour is usually already malignant. Doc, get a copy of Giovanni Maccioca's The Foundations of Chinese Medicine.

            Sometimes when you have an absurdly terminal patient (someone who's pulse and tongue have no root) who you beleive is going to die in the next week, the only proper course of treatment is to apply burning moxa to Du 20(Baihui, the crown of the head) in order to help the spirit ascend out of the body and do whatever it needs to do. This is performed incredibly rarely in this country. Mostly because it goes against allopathic medical ethics, and most terminal patients are in allopathic clinics in their last week. But it is performed in china once in a while.
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            • #7
              Although, we have been told that when a patient has blood stagnation there is usually a fixed, immovable mass, accompanied by a horrible stabbing pain.
              Can you explain this blood stagnation concept?
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              • #8
                This is an emotionally charged thread so I won't comment, except as to point anyone interested in the direction of a book written by Master Yap Soon-Yeong. He writes extensively on the emotional mind factor, which is the focus of his system. He is a Buddhist healer based in Penang, and up until recently treated hundreds of people a week for free.

                The book gives extensive (to the layman) accounts of his patients treatment with regard the subject matter in each chapter (e.g. treating stroke, coma, cancer etc).

                "Energy Medicine in CFQ Healing: Healing the Body, Transforming Consciousness"
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                • #9
                  Do you believe in people who treat real illnesses by "transforming consciousness"?
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                  • #10
                    Yes I do, and the book I mentioned can do a far better job of explaining what daodeching et al was getting at regarding consciousness/healing. It clearly illustrates this paradym like no other book I've read on the subject so far.

                    Jon
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                    • #11
                      How about a synopsis? Quite frankly, I have no time for another book. Or, anything else for that matter right now.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by doc
                        How about a synopsis? Quite frankly, I have no time for another book. Or, anything else for that matter right now.
                        Unfortunately I'm pretty bad at that sort of thing, I'll have to read it again and then do one.

                        The general gist of it is:

                        Buddhist principles of detatchment/letting-go to one degree or another whilst chanting a mantra at the lower abdomen. The idea is not to aquire chi but to let go and let everthing flush down and out through the body from the highest levels conciousness, beyond alaya(sp?).

                        There are qigong exercises to aid the flushing effect through clearing the energy channels in the limbs.

                        There are also techniques for carers to help stroke and coma patients.

                        The most remarkable area is his outlook on disease prevention and management. It is this part that I need to read again as to do it justice.

                        Jon
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                        • #13
                          The idea is not to aquire chi but to let go and let everthing flush down and out through the body from the highest levels
                          Well, with my new, higher fiber diet, I'm not having any trouble with that. Now where is that rubber band....

                          Do you really believe that this stuff has helped stroke victims, and others? Or might you consider that fact that their improvement might just be coincidence?
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                          • #14
                            An informative email from someone who shall remain anonymous:

                            "I started “working” as a volunteer for an organisation that’s called “Help for the children from Chernobyl”. We are trying to provide humanitarian aid to the people (especially the children) living there. 2 or 3 times a year we are bringing some of the children down to xxxxx to help their immune systems to recover a bit from the radioactivity. Even if it’s just a drop in the ocean, I know they always enjoy to be here, I can see it in their eyes. It just hurts to let them leave again, because we know where they are going, where and how they have to live there (they are all very poor there) and we never can be sure to seem them back again, as they are all sick. Nearly all of them are suffering from cancer, a great percentage of the new born babies are malformed and even the absolutely necessary is missing, not to talk about medical care.

                            It makes me a bit angry when I read in the forum that people believe it’s possible to cure cancer from just a few herbs and a bit Qi Gong. Hell, if it really was so easy, then we would just get one of these wonder healer on a plane and let him cure them.

                            We are planning on going to Chernobyl to build a bathroom for the school. But we are only allowed to go there for 1 week. They don’t allow us to stay any longer because of the radioactivity. 1 week is the longest a healthy immune system can bear the radioactivity without suffering any damage. But it’s still a long way until there. We’ll have to get the visas, all the permissions and of course the funds. They are all corrupt there. We’ll have to bribe a lot of people to get the permissions. What a nightmare. Even when we send trucks there with food, clothes and sanitary things, the drivers always have to bribe some people to be allowed to bring their charges there. But I’m not gonna bore you with that bull****, as you have some major problems right now."


                            Admirable effort. Truly admirable. And, an interesting viewpoint on TCM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by doc
                              Do you really believe that this stuff has helped stroke victims, and others? Or might you consider that fact that their improvement might just be coincidence?
                              I do, on both counts and believe it needs to be researched. And your point of view is fair enough. I didn't come to argue with you about it, just provide you with a resource to understand this system from the Eastern conciousness point-of-view, as it is so different and I thought you may be interested. Plus you can't really gauge anything from my description above (you really can't - it's not accurate, and has lots missed out).

                              I met Master Yap in Oxford last November, I found him to be a kind man with a talent, trying his best to help people.

                              Of course, lots of things can be considered a coincidence, but when a result starts to reoccur more frequently by performing the same actions, it is worth looking into, wouldn't you say? If you were able to contact the huge numbers of people treated by Master Yap, you would be better informed to come to a conclusion, instead of (if I may make a guess) a small number of people you know are being or have been treated with TCM, which this is not.

                              I deleted half of my post, as I feel it would have been disrespectful to you and your profession for which I have a great respect, as does Master Yap who often advocates using both (you'd want to give yourself the best chance right).

                              So I bid you farewell
                              "Bye Book!" - Ven. Damo

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