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    hei, i'm new to the forums and I had asimple question: where cna i learn any type of shaolin Kung Fu? or any wepaons training. i've read a lot baout kung Fu, and martial arts, my expierence is: if it's in america and on your street corner...don't take it. I can't count howmany time si've gone to a martial arts class where they say it's Kung Fu, but neevr sasy what type. or where they say it's real Jujitsu and it's actually wrestling. I mean how cna i spot a clever marketing scam from the real thing? i've seen what it looks like. i want to learn what is taught to the shaolin monks in china, not what soem greedy american "dude" wants. i don't mena to be offensive so sorry if I am but pleas ehelp me. I was also looking at Kendo, or some type of weapon training.

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    My advice to people who ask is to stay away from schools with so many trophies up in the windows and they say this and that and have quotes from people saying how good of a teacher the master is. This is all to catch your eyes to get you to come there. Because they can't attract you with what they have. Look for the modest school that is willing to teach you what they have. Don't go to a school that has to talk itself up so much just to get students. Even if they have many students. Smaller schools are often times better. Look for quality in the students not quantity.

    One thing you can do is look at the video section here of some of the basic Shao Lin temple forms. Such as Xiao Hong Quan (also spelled Shao Hong Chuan). It means little red fist and is one of the very first basic forms taught. Another popular one is on the video section called Tong Bei Quan. Through the back.. fist. Keep in mind these forms are subject to different versions at different schools. But each are pretty much the same. Look at these forms and recognize them. When you go to a school that says they teach Shao Lin Gong Fu. Ask them about one of these forms. If they know it, ask them to show you. It shouldn't look much different than these videos. If they don't know they form. Leave. If they refuse to demonstrate the forms. Leave.

    A mi tuo Fo
    -Xing Jian

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    • #3
      just look for the Russbo Impirial Seal of Honor.

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      • #4
        if it's in america and on your street corner...don't take it.
        I hate that...

        Some of the best teachers out there are Americans.....

        Where should you learn? Lets start with where do you live? What options you have. etc.
        practice wu de

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        • #5
          ok that's not fair to quote me in that manner, since you're kind of disregarding the stuff I said around it. I was simply saying, in different words, what Xing_jian108 said. My expierence is that a lot of american teachers arn't very good. I'm not saying they're all bad, and yes I'm sorry I should have specified, but a lot of places i've seen arn't great. thankyou all very much.

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          • #6
            Thats fine, but you need to know that there are plenty that are great. Either way, would you like to answer the question of what your location is? So that maybe some of the forum memebers here can give you a hand?
            practice wu de

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            • #7
              A friend of mine is quite adamant that most of the best martials arts teachers in the world are currently living in California. But what he fails to mention is that so are some of the worst.

              The key is to be able to see things for what they truly are. The best schools need no marketing and no trophies. If they have trophies, they won't be displayed in the front window. Displays of power only admit weakness and insecurity.
              Show me a man who has forgotten words, so that I can have a word with him.

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              • #8
                Shao Hong Chuan is commonly, and mistakenly, thought to mean "little red boxing shoes". If you look at the Chinese character for the word "Hong" in the older texts, it is not the "Hong" for "red"; it's the "Hong" for a family name. The form is the small Hong family boxing form. (There is a large one, Da Hong Chuan, which is similar).

                Oh, and I'd be leary of going to any school that has pictures of the teachers with the abbot.... Ah, commercialism.
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                • #9
                  Xiao Hong Quan in the characters still has "Hong" for "flood" which is a family name and so the meaning is not even thought of when we say like Mr. Hong. Like someone named Mr. Wang. We don't think Wang means king here. It's just a sound for a name. But anyway, in translation nowadays we say it with the meaning "red" and not "flood" or just "Hong". Even though the characters are still written as the old family name.

                  These forms, Xiao and Da Hong Quan were given as gifts to the Temple. A man and his young son came to the temple as refugees. The monks welcomed them and helped them out. In return for the generosity and hospitality of the monks, the father and son gave two forms to the temple. Their family names were "Hong". The son's form was Xiao Hong Quan. (Xiao meaning small) And the father's form was Da Hong Quan. (Da meaning big).

                  And, I also like that... "displays of power only admit weakness and insecurity". Quite true.

                  A mi tuo Fo
                  -Xing Jian

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                  • #10
                    According to Shi De Cheng and Shi De Qian, it refers to a family name, from a thousand years ago. Not the presently commonly thought "little red boxing shoes" (which I was initially told almost ten years ago when I first went to Shaolin.
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                    • #11
                      Yes, it's the character that means "flood". It also sounds like Hong. This was the family name of the father and son who gave the forms. They were the Hong family. Father and son, Xiao and Da. The characters, no matter what, are still written with the old family name Hong meaning "flood". But, I don't know why, people nowadays like to translate it in English as Hong for "red". Maybe people just want to make sense out of everything. I don't know. But you are right. The character is the old family name Hong. Flood not red....

                      A mi tuo Fo
                      -Xing Jian

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