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  • #16
    People need to keep up..

    Sounds like an elementary form from the short description.
    practice wu de

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    • #17
      From what I saw it was the first form taught to new peopl at the school.
      Don't trouble trouble until trouble troubles you.

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      • #18
        Nope, xing jian is right! The form is cookie fist. I know because I learned this one in China, right before my coach punched me and stole all of my cookies. It apparently works very well.
        -Jesse Pasleytm
        "How do I know? Because my sensei told me!"

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        • #19
          Okay guys, Chu Ji (or sometimes Ji Chu) = roughly the same thing as Ji Ben. The two are what they call in chinese "Tong Yi Zi" which basically means two different words that mean the same thing.

          Ji Ben, by the way, means basic/elementary. So dies Ji Chu, which i understand can also be said Chu Ji.


          As far as there being a Shaolin form called "cookie fist" and that being the original intent in the name, i am dubious.

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          • #20
            Yeah, it's part of the monkey style. It's monkey steals cookie. There's also a form of it in Praying Mantis called "Bai Yuan Tou Qu Qi". Which means "white ape steals cookie".

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            • #21
              Dogchow- Chu Ji and Ji Chu are both two different characters.

              Chu1 Ji2
              Ji1 Chu3

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              • #22
                right, but someone will generally understand you if you put it in at least somewhat of a correct context.

                Wo de pengyou zai ji chu (huo chu ji) zong wen de ke.

                right?

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                • #23
                  Yes, but Ji Chu means like basis or foundation. Like "Ji Chu Wen Ti" means basic issue or question. The name of this form is our Ji Chu Wen Ti. It's the basis of our discussion.

                  Chu Ji means like primary or first level, like a class or lesson, or in this case a Gong Fu form. It's the first level.

                  So, the name of the form is our basic (ji chu) question. The form is the first basic level (chu ji) fist. So.. Chu Ji Quan and not Ji Chu Quan.

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                  • #24
                    Maybe that doesn't explain well enough.

                    Chu ji ke= Basic lesson
                    Ji chu ke= Basis of the lesson

                    Example:

                    Chu ji ke shi li mao.
                    The basic lesson is courtesy.

                    Ji chu ke shi she hui zhu yi.
                    The basis of the lesson is socialism.

                    See the difference?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by xing_jian108
                      Maybe that doesn't explain well enough.

                      Chu ji ke= Basic lesson
                      Ji chu ke= Basis of the lesson

                      Example:

                      Chu ji ke shi li mao.
                      The basic lesson is courtesy.

                      Ji chu ke shi she hui zhu yi.
                      The basis of the lesson is socialism.

                      See the difference?

                      kind of, on that last eample...wouldnt you say "ke-de ji chu shi hui zhu yi"?

                      but that set aside, so Chu Ji and Ji Ben are similar...one means elementary, another means basic? I'll as my Chinese teachers...one of them said that Chu Ji and Ji Ben were Tong Yi Zi...were they wrong (this one is a college professor)? I finally took a class this semester, but it seems more and more that ive been wasting my time in there...
                      Last edited by dogchow108; 11-30-2004, 05:21 PM.

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                      • #26
                        There are plenty of ways to set up the sentence to mean the same thing. Like in English. "Socialism is the basis of the lesson", "The basis of the lesson is socialism", "The lesson's basis is socialism".

                        Chu Ji and Ji Ben pretty much mean the same thing. The difference is that Ji Ben means basic. And Chu Ji discribes a level, level one. You can have basics of an advanced level. You normally don't have a first level advanced level. It sounds kinda strange.

                        Advanced level Ji Ben Tao Lu.= Advanced level basic form.
                        Advanced level Chu Ji Tao Lu.= Advanced level first level form.

                        We would normally say advanced level Ji Ben Tao Lu and not Chu Ji Tao Lu. Because Chu Ji is discribing that it is the first level, and not advanced yet.

                        So, Chu Ji Quan is alright to say. Because it is a Ji Ben Tao Lu, and it's still showing it's first level. It's obviously for beginners.

                        Ji Ben Quan could be basics of any level. It could be the basic form of drunken boxing. Which is an advanced technique. We would never have a form called Ji Ben Quan then. It's way to broad. We could have a drunken boxing Ji Ben Tao Lu though. It just shows that it's a basic form of this advanced style. Not for beginners in martial arts, like Chu Ji Quan would be.

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                        • #27
                          god damn this is a boring thread.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by xing_jian108
                            There are plenty of ways to set up the sentence to mean the same thing. Like in English. "Socialism is the basis of the lesson", "The basis of the lesson is socialism", "The lesson's basis is socialism".

                            Chu Ji and Ji Ben pretty much mean the same thing. The difference is that Ji Ben means basic. And Chu Ji discribes a level, level one. You can have basics of an advanced level. You normally don't have a first level advanced level. It sounds kinda strange.

                            Advanced level Ji Ben Tao Lu.= Advanced level basic form.
                            Advanced level Chu Ji Tao Lu.= Advanced level first level form.

                            We would normally say advanced level Ji Ben Tao Lu and not Chu Ji Tao Lu. Because Chu Ji is discribing that it is the first level, and not advanced yet.

                            So, Chu Ji Quan is alright to say. Because it is a Ji Ben Tao Lu, and it's still showing it's first level. It's obviously for beginners.

                            Ji Ben Quan could be basics of any level. It could be the basic form of drunken boxing. Which is an advanced technique. We would never have a form called Ji Ben Quan then. It's way to broad. We could have a drunken boxing Ji Ben Tao Lu though. It just shows that it's a basic form of this advanced style. Not for beginners in martial arts, like Chu Ji Quan would be.

                            understood. Right, there should not really ba a universal form in shaolin called Ji Ben Quan, although it makes sense to have a set of Ji Ben Tao Lu..or a set of excercises, which say you might call Ji Ben Gong right?

                            and for clarification, Chu ji...it's an adjective whereas Ji Chu is a noun, which actually kind of makes it wrong to say Ji Qu ke shi hui zhu yi if you are meaning that the basis of the class is socialism, no?

                            (this is fun...must learn more chinese...)

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                            • #29
                              NOOOOO!!!! COOOOOKIEEEE FIST!!!!!
                              -Jesse Pasleytm
                              "How do I know? Because my sensei told me!"

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                              • #30
                                ---and for clarification, Chu ji...it's an adjective whereas Ji Chu is a noun, which actually kind of makes it wrong to say Ji Qu ke shi hui zhu yi if you are meaning that the basis of the class is socialism, no?---

                                It's wrong because it's Ji Chu and no Ji Qu, and socialism is "she hui zhu yi". You must be half asleep. Wake up...

                                Anyway, Ji Chu is a noun but can be used like an adjective in some cases. "Ji chu ke" is the basis of the lesson, like "Ji chu wen ti" is the basic issue we are discussing. It's ok in this way, it's still a noun but used like an adjective. Kind of like saying "guest room". Guest is a noun but in this case it is used like an adjective to discribe the noun, room. But you wouldn't say "this room is very guest" like you wouldn't say something is very ji chu. It's still a noun.

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