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    Hi. I'm trying to put together a good diet, but the resources I've got don't get into the details I'm looking for. Tianshi mentioned acids and oils balance each other well. One of my brothers told me to eat grains in the morning, fruits and vegetables in the afternoon, and proteins in the evening. I think he got that from a book called The Tao of H,S,&L by Daniel Reid. I haven't read the book yet, but I think it talks about which foods compliment each other. My brother said it's called internal alchemy. I dont get to talk with him often and when I do it is usually about other stuff. Can anyone help? I want to understand why certain combos work and why others don't.

    Thanks.

  • #2
    Here's one:

    Onions and fried batter.

    Match made in heaven, everyone.
    Becoming what I've dreamed about.

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    • #3
      What is this in refference too? TCM or western ideology?
      practice wu de

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      • #4
        well western ideology doesn't generally involve "internal alchemy".

        btw i've heard that phrase used before, but not in reference to diet. i've heard it used to describe spiritual practices and such, of which i'm sure diet is a part, but that did not focus on diet primarily.

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        • #5
          You're not supposed to eat raw foods or chilled foods for breakfast, or for dinner. This is why, cooked grains in the morning and fruit around noon. Watermelon is a great fruit with medicinal properties, but in general, melon drains heat so much that you don't want to include raw melon in a meal because it will impair the digestion of the resto of the food. So eat it by itself. Not with fried chicken. And no watermelon at night, cause you'll need to wake up to pee.

          Alot of this tcm, nei dan alchemy stuff is just elaborate interpretations of the bagua and the meridian clock with associated foods pertaining to certain channels/trigrams. Read a book on chinese nutrition.
          Show me a man who has forgotten words, so that I can have a word with him.

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          • #6
            It's a funny question and I hear what Daodojing is sayng, but an apple for example is syuppposed to be a higfhly recommended morning carb in replacement of your coffee, idea being that the sugar will kick your meatbolism off on the same -ish note. You'll hear alot of totally contracdictory advice from source to source.

            Lol @ the watermelon theory aswell, because unless I'm abroad, I do a good chunk every single night post workout ( and if I get it done in the afternoon, 2 tblspoons of no-fat ice-cream with a coffee is a great 1 - 3/4 hr pre workout prep) I find it's a really good easily palatted way to replenish some sugar stores and take a little extra fluid. Also a good early morn pre- workout happy bowel syndrome bowel stop. Very important stuff! ........

            Anyway........ as we know from other threads, as far as foods and combos go, temperature and solubility is also a really huge factor whatever country you're eating in. As far as tcm and mediteranian etc food pyramids go, there are also certain ph's that should be adhered to aswell.


            The categories go like this ( and btw cover fluids aswell........ )

            Temp : Hot
            Cold
            warm
            room temp
            freezing

            phs go like this :

            oily
            astingent
            sweet
            sour
            bitter
            salty
            hot ( chilli / curry etc)

            Firstly, and particularly in China they recommend you have 2 glasses / cups of hot water or cha ( tea preferrabley green or black ) with each meal and then a glass of cold or room temp soon after .

            Oh you also have things like

            wet and dry carbs
            and starchy or leafy veg as contrast
            and then you have starchy - fibrous and grainy dry carbs as variations of your complex. All important in the right combinations and within certain time periods. I also heard recently (and tried it out ) that for optimal health you should shoot for 16 different tastes and food varieties over 2 days. It was okay I guess, but as priority, it wouldn't be. Just plain old BL food is fab thx

            AS for combos, it really depends on your goals.

            If you're talking opposites and maintenance, we're talking things like your oil with an astingent ( which could be anything from a redwine to high proof 20 ml alcohol shot, to cranberry juice to lemon juice peending the strength of astringent you need ); then you have your sweet and sour combo , as in lemon juice for example with your most complex or dense carb ( rice / pasta / bread / flour/ and starchy vegs ( like potatoes and most other root veg ( particularly carrots and corn ( extremely high in sugar ) broccoli ( being they end up meatabolising as a sugar ) ) , as the lemon juice wil break it all dpown at best efficiency and aid with elimination of what's not being used, as opposed to having it all sit rotting and stagnant in your colon. Another really good reason to take your fluids

            Then you have your bitters you should do with a nuetral, then a salty you should do with some electrolytes ( red bull is a great choice, particularly as oily dry carb post work out post protein or viscous replacement fluid ( milk, shake etc) to maximise breakdown, absorbtion, recovery and because of the taurine and dry carb combo, you're absoluitely maximising your body's abilty to draw that carb deep into your muscle fibre at recovery and rebuild time so you end up getting every drop of density out your carbs, power packing each bite. Anything with maize or that corn syrup so many ppl love to hate will do as good if not better job in place of your redbull. Btw : remember your vit b's aswell..... it matters

            Okay while we're here, let's talk bulking.

            The combos you're looking for here, besides the above are things like protein plus a dry carb, and for us women , it's likely a really fast way to a good few kgs.

            For men, I couldn't recommend higher the old sugar and dry carb combo. It slows down your metabolism which mreans when you're lifting weights it takes longer to absorb and the sugar breaks down more of your carb to assist in the muscular rebuild and repair. Another combo is fat and dry carb, but unless you are particularly active with your cardio, it's likely not to be your greatest choice.

            Don't forget to get enough wet carbs ( like unlimited leafy green veg / watermelon / peaches / plums and so on ).

            If you want to go lean muscle it's basically the opposite.

            You need to mix only fats or sugars with proteins within a several hour period of your next dry carb ( which btw should be a smaller serve than regular ........ and remenmber it's the proteinb that;s fillling you so breath loudly as you like, hunger will NOT be an issue here !!!!!!! ( if I could my mexican wave smiley, I'd post it for you .........lol....good news for everyone)

            I have also known ppl who have eaten mainly complex low fat carbs ( preferrabley in their most raw state...like veg and brown rice and grainy or wholewheat breads and pastas etc etc ) who have both put on and lost an incredible amount. I think the difference here will come down to your fluids and time of feastings.

            If you want a great a detox, go all the way for 10 days with your fluids and unlimited wet carbs ( fibrous fruit / leafy veg ) and shakes and eggs for your protein ....... do some ham or something if you need the meaty enzyme ( which for best health by all research is important occassionally btw ) and enjoy your health.

            That's about all I have so enjoy and feel free to ask if you have anything further.

            Cheers boys

            BL

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            • #7
              Thanks 4 the feedback. LYF do funyuns count? lol . BTL, I'm gonna make it my goal to understand the info you posted so I can utilize it (it's important stuff!). I'm not adept when it comes to workouts and nutrition. I am creating a daily training schedule using different exercises that Sifu has taught me. I've been lolligaggin' around aboot gettin' physical. I want to go full throttle, but I need to make sure I've got a full tank b4 I make the trip. Warm up, stretch, cardio, strength, and cool down is the basic structure, no? I'll throw in some dynamic strength exer., chi gung, and meds. Can I talk any of y'all into post some sample diets and workouts to give me some ideas?

              rspktfly,
              AK

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              • #8
                Funyuns are just fried batter with onion flavoring, I was talkin bout the real thing, Adam!
                Becoming what I've dreamed about.

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                • #9
                  Actually , as far as the best of my info relating to ppl really acheiving international satandard results go, hteenerasl idea is there are three categories of cardio, strecngth and endurance and they should all be trained seperately. I hope you do take the time to really to understand what I say here, because the advice is genuine and once yoiu get a hang of its pricipals, only half as complicated and possibley up to 300% more effective than you're likely doing. Big call but as one of the only maers here who have ever in their entire lifetime done 12 hr daily workouts consitently over many months at a time many many times over for many yrs ( and catered for all of its aspects fro nutrition to intrapersonal psychology and so forth ) I'm standing by it all!

                  Sincerely hope it helps some and check your PMs


                  BL

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                  • #10
                    I always said; "That BL, she's somethin else, that BL she is."

                    And she always was...

                    (E True Hollywood Story)
                    Becoming what I've dreamed about.

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                    • #11
                      lol.......

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                      • #12
                        Thanks Tianshi.... will you marry me?


                        AK

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                        • #13
                          WEll I'm kind of engaged / married and promised to a whole other person for three lives after that, but if you're doing anything for the 4th to come, I definately have a vacancy

                          oh.... and you're welcome

                          BL

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                          • #14
                            I'd like to look at this whole nutrition nonsense, from the other end. But, first, a story.

                            He was short, around five foot two. He appeared much shorter than that, standing in front of my medical school class of about 120 people, all sitting in chairs in a rather huge amphitheater type classroom. A little balding guy, who really spoke like the veritable nerd that he most undoubtedly was. But, he really didn't mind taking control of the classroom. He was a proctologist, a specialist in colon and rectal diseases, about to give us the first of many lectures on colorectal disorders.

                            "A sign of good health, is a six inch, well formed, light brown, floater, every morning."

                            Interesting way to start a lecture. From a guy, no less, who was proud of the fact that he did all of his rectal exams without wearing any sort of rubber gloves. He made it clear that the rubber diminished the sensation in his fingertips, so, he never used the latex gloves that the rest of us wished we could crawl into, when put into similar situations. I for one, had always wanted slightly more than a pair of latex rubber gloves when I examined my patients, patients who for some reason, tended to be older, fat, really really fat, black women, who seemed to derive great pleasure hoisting themselves up onto the little straining exam table. God knows how those stirrups kept those legs from falling down upon my little head, crushing me into a moist oblivion from which I thought I'd never have the chance to emerge from. Rubber gloves were my best friend in those days; scuba gear and a full wetsuit would have been more welcome.

                            Our proctologist lecturer continued on, waving this little stubby index finger around, as he lectured on this disease and that. All I could think about was the stories that this index finger could tell. Short little thing, on the end of his pudgy little hand. I felt bad for it. I spent the rest of the lecture thinking about what kind of life that little index finger had had. It might have had a better time had its owner become a gynecologist. But, then again, with short stubby fingers like that, he wouldn't have made a successful one.

                            It wasn't until years ago, that his comment became relevant to me.

                            "A sign of good health, is a six inch, well formed, light brown, floater, every morning."

                            For years, I've watched as different government agencies changed their impressions as to what a good diet is. "A diet rich in fruits and vegetables is best." Except, if you're older, when the increased fiber load increased your discomfort level, and triggered episodes of volvulus (twisted bowel). "A diet high in protein is best." Except when people don't hydrate themselves well, and develop metabolic acidosis. "A diet high in carbohydrates..." Which results in a population fat diabetics. "Milk and dairy products supply all the necessary calcium and...." Not a good idea in most adults, who can't deal with the lactose and fat load.

                            Let's face it. For every dietary recommendation made, there are many subgroups of the population who just don't do well with it. High fiber diets lead to bloating, discomfort, and potential bowel stretching, with its potential future complications. Dairy products can lead to intestinal discomfort, high fat intake, cardiovascular disease, and so on. Carbohydrate based diets overload the body with sugars, and offer too little of the necessary proteins. Vegetarians generally fail to meet their necessary amino acid intake requirements.

                            It's all nonsense. And, it's all very simple. Just aim for that daily, six inch, well formed, light brown floater in the morning.

                            Six inches of stool every morning signifies an adequate amount of daily fiber, and adequate daily hydration. The light brown color demonstrates that enough biliary salts (and therefore, cholesterol), is being removed from the body via normal liver function. The fact that it floats shows that a normal amount of gas is being excreted via the colon. And, because it is well formed, you can rest assured that you're eating the appropriate mixture of food stuffs for your body. And, that your colon is a happy colon.

                            Remember, a happy colon, is a happy you.

                            Eat what you want, within reason, and within limitations. Balance. Variety. Vitamins. Hydration. No excess of anything: type of food, or amount. Enjoy what you eat.

                            And make sure you check the throne every morning for that masterpiece.
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                            • #15
                              Really good post Rich and props for having the means and rep to just speak poop at will ...........


                              The thing about food combos though , is everyone has a different lifestyle and a different way of meetingand defining acceptable to any one dietary plan . Poop is likely the single most important indicator of how well you're doing and lol here, but that one thing I'd never deny any person ever .

                              I know ppl who don't go for weeks and days and it blows me away totally. If I don't go 2 or 3 times every single morning , you can bank on it, come three days max, I'm getting extremely sh*tty!!! ........lol........ I'll even wake up earlier to get it done on time on leave

                              A fibre suppplement is a good idea if not a straight out regular laxative you're comfortable with. In China they even have longevity and beauty products being just glorified lipid cleansers and laxatives . It's important and let's face it, none of us really want to staganate in our own stangant waste. Unpleasant at best , egotiscally too cool to care and unsensible at worst.

                              Live long and poop often

                              BL
                              Last edited by blooming tianshi lotus; 02-23-2005, 02:45 AM.

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