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    Heyheyhey hi Russboists,

    Glad to be back on this forum, as i have a question and i'm sure some here are in WC (mortal...maybe others).

    I'm going to start soon-within one mounth- just next there is a full time school which looks quite good. Unfortunately Shaolin Uk is too far away from home(sigh).

    Ok, right there, standing in my room, what could i do to start practising the straight punch?I can't really figure out this punch as i have always been shown the wrist rotation and it seems that there is no rotation in the WC punch. If someone has a good link or a good tutorial explanation about strenght training and basic techniques, tips on how to progress fast and efficiently...I woul be very grateful.

    B

    ig cheers

    Flow
    The East? The West?

    Men and Women, that's all...

  • #2
    Great to here you will be training wingchun!

    You really need to shown this punch from a master. But I will try to explain. Fist starts vertical in the center of the chest a fist away from the body. When you punch keep your elbows in, and the punch short, and stay loose in shoulders and body. Bring the other fist back to the start position by bringing it under the punch. You should have a short pause between punchs. This punch feels powerless and awkward for a while but you will start to feel it eventually.

    In time you will do this punch with a stepping forward stance. Looks like a cat stance with your feet flat and toes pointed slighlty in. You step forward with your front foot and then bring your back foot forward, but keep it behind the front foot. Do not slide your either foot but it should be so close to the ground that it looks like a slide. Punch the second both feet are moved forward and you are centered in your stance.

    Also the punch is about structure. Meaning with your arm in the center you could turn it into any block form that position.

    Hope this helps.

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    • #3
      Is the punching reminicant of those Rumble Robots that have the heads pop off?
      Becoming what I've dreamed about.

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      • #4
        lol Kind of except looser. Not stiff. I love those robots!

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        • #5
          Are there techniques to grow faster?
          What do you think about WChung philosophy?
          What about legs flexibility?
          I've seen this position on photos, feet inside, but when i try it i don't feel it. Do you use this position when sparring?
          Do you train the wall bags?

          Please reply if you have time.Yes i'm thrilled to start, have to wait a few weeks for next enrollement...The club looks real good, let m give you the web site, tell me what you think.
          The UK Wing Chun Kung Fu Association was founded in 1985 by Master James Sinclair. It has produced many of the leading exponents of the Art.


          Thank you for the previous reply, it looks like a straight punch without wrist rotation at chest level...I didn't understand about the cat" position, i see the move but i don't see the legs pos...Is it a bit like the gong bu?

          See ya then
          Are you the only one here studying WC?
          Since how long then?

          Signed:Mr Questions
          The East? The West?

          Men and Women, that's all...

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          • #6
            Nothing makes you grow faster except hard training under a great Sifu. The problem with wingchun is many times people become proficient in 2 man drills and then call themselves Sifu. When actual sparring/fighting experiance is limited. I think it happens more with wingchun then anywhere else.

            Wingchun doesn't require legs to be flexable. Their kicks are low and practical using structure. I think wingchun is lacking here. If your going to train your whole life you should have the ability to kick someone in the face. Most wingchunners can't do this. Because they ignore that type of whole body flexability.

            If you are referring to wingchuns basic stance it is NOT used during sparring. it is for training purposes. You keep your toes pointed slightly in and put one foot diagnal from the other when sparring. Also I didn't see any free sparring in the clips. All cooperative drills.

            I do not train wallbags. I aim at soft targets. If you are aiming at someones arm or thigh with your punches which doesn't make sense, then use a wallbag. Your fists aren't going to get any harder and your not developing any skill to hit an evasive opponent.

            Now don't think I'm being mean when I say, I didn't see a very high level of wingchun anywhere on that site. I didn't see any real sensitivity. It might be a good place to start. When your good enough you will see why and find a better school. Like this one www.sifugrados.com. lol
            I think Steve trains wingchun too.

            I have 4 years in.

            I can honestly say the only real wingchun Sifus are Emin Boztepe and Jose Grados. These men are true sifu. Other then them I haven't seen anything that good. If someone has any clips of good wingchun please let me see it.

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            • #7
              Also that school has way too many sifu. These guys are not masters but instructors. People love calling themselves Sifu. What makes me laugh is none of them could popssible be humble enough to call themselves Sifu. Or they would have rejected the title on lack of truly mastered skill. There are guys in my school that are great and could easily be called Sifu. But they know there are much higher levels to reach before they dare use that title.

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              • #8
                Well i think you are right about this so called "sifu" term that they give to themselve between themselves and into their own association.

                As far as i'm concerned this schools looks good and to me who is coming for more contact sports it doesn't look like karatekas shouting at the wind and call themselves master,but really practical and athletic training with a lot of speed developpement and reflex.I'm not a specialist but as you said it's good for a start and i think you can find worst.

                Then nothing stops you to train kicks by yourself or somewhere else to be more polyvalent, but when i see the clips and if i had to fight Sinclair, well first i would run away but if i really had to, i would certainly not use any high kick (he seriously must me dangerous in a real fight). But i still love to kick high because it's fun!This guy, Sinclair, looks real to me when he shows off, but first it is a full time business so they need to sell themselves and it then i don't know who gives the name of Sifu to who etc...It looks very complicated.The sifu stuff is a bit ridiculous i admit it, as in one school you are supposed to have one head only.

                I guess this is your school's website?I'll have alook.
                Many things need to be said on WC as it is Shaolin issued am i right?
                I'm surprised that very few seem to have opinino about it...
                Anyway hope to go on with this thread!

                Seeya
                Flow





                It is an amaizing style
                The East? The West?

                Men and Women, that's all...

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                • #9
                  "Well i think you are right about this so called "sifu" term that they give to themselve between themselves and into their own association."

                  Thats cool it is just a pet peeve of mine. Everyone is a Sifu.

                  As far as i'm concerned this schools looks good and to me who is coming for more contact sports it doesn't look like karatekas shouting at the wind and call themselves master,but really practical and athletic training with a lot of speed developpement and reflex.I'm not a specialist but as you said it's good for a start and i think you can find worst."

                  I agree 100%. At least it is something decent. That guy in the conditioning video has a ridicules stomach! Wow. Ripped. But why condition to get hit when you should be able to absorb and deflect. Even when I do get hit during sparring it isn't usually 100% connection. Conditioning doesn't stop being submitted or knockedout. That is why I am not a fan.
                  It is a good start school no doubt.

                  "Then nothing stops you to train kicks by yourself or somewhere else to be more polyvalent, but when i see the clips and if i had to fight Sinclair, well first i would run away but if i really had to, i would certainly not use any high kick (he seriously must me dangerous in a real fight). But i still love to kick high because it's fun!This guy, Sinclair, looks real to me when he shows off, but first it is a full time business so they need to sell themselves and it then i don't know who gives the name of Sifu to who etc...It looks very complicated.The sifu stuff is a bit ridiculous i admit it, as in one school you are supposed to have one head only."

                  I know what you mean but kicking with a high level of skill needs to be taught and developed over time from a master. It requires a great deal of stretching as well as kicking. Most people just kick. You need to be loose to have a fast accurate head kick. You never see head kicks because they are neever trained to a practical level. That is why I train shaolin/wushu and wingchun. I like the whole full body development thing.

                  "I guess this is your school's website?I'll have alook.
                  Many things need to be said on WC as it is Shaolin issued am i right?
                  I'm surprised that very few seem to have opinino about it...
                  Anyway hope to go on with this thread!"

                  From what I have found it has no connection with shaolin temple at all it just makes for a good marketing story. It looks like white crane and southern mantis. These styles have nothing to do with shaolin.

                  Anthony

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                  • #10
                    "His unique street fighting skills enabled him to progress quickly in the system and to successfully apply his Wing Chun in real life situations"
                    Well, your Sifu looks very dangerous, how many people has he killed yet?

                    "During the reign of Emperor K'anghsi of the Ching Dynasty (1662-1722) Gung Fu became very strong in the Siu Lam [Shaolin] Monastery of Mt. Sung, in Honan Province"
                    So doesn't ie mean that Ng Mui who taught Wing Chung was fro this monastery?I heard many times that WC wouldn't come from this legend, so why everywhere i go i find it...What makes you belive that it is not Shaolin issued?-very curious about it-who strated it?

                    I found that your school (if it is) was very self defence based,It seems that your streets are dangerous man...So is the spirit you told me about called "self defense"?

                    Another thing...I really wish i could see the videos but my quicktime is not reading 'em...I'll try to upgrate it.

                    I partially agree that having the ultimate six pack is not obligatory and most of us don't have time to do sit up all day long...It looks a bit like a "Ramboisation".But yet it is not a disconfort, and definitly gives you some punching and kicking power as well as the capacity to do all sort of acrobatics easily.

                    It is true that a good high kick is 99/cent an immediate K.O. In the ring it is a very good weapon and no nead to be a master to try yourslef at it. But sometimes i just feel that bare hand it is easy to block and sweep or worst give a front in the "ultra pain area" lol. Need to train for few years and maybe one day i'll feel more confident about it.

                    Do you practise leg raises? If you don't you should start, it gives instant flexibility, isn't it what you're looking for?
                    The East? The West?

                    Men and Women, that's all...

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                    • #11
                      that Kicking & Hand Combinations vid on the uk wing chun site is nice............
                      ZhongwenMovies.com

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                      • #12
                        "His unique street fighting skills enabled him to progress quickly in the system and to successfully apply his Wing Chun in real life situations"
                        Well, your Sifu looks very dangerous, how many people has he killed yet?

                        He grew up in the Bronx and Harlem. Those are the tuffest neiborhoods around. He has had many many fights. I have met many reputable people(bouncers, BJJ guys) who could confirm that. He is not a Sifu who hasn't actually fought. Or who is all about peace and love. Everytime someone comes into the school who has a lot of experiance he throws them in there with me and other top students and they are easily defeated and join the school to take their martial arts to the next level. Most people that train there are already accomplished martial artists.

                        "During the reign of Emperor K'anghsi of the Ching Dynasty (1662-1722) Gung Fu became very strong in the Siu Lam [Shaolin] Monastery of Mt. Sung, in Honan Province"
                        So doesn't ie mean that Ng Mui who taught Wing Chung was fro this monastery?I heard many times that WC wouldn't come from this legend, so why everywhere i go i find it...What makes you belive that it is not Shaolin issued?-very curious about it-who strated it?"

                        It has nothing to do with the shaolin I've been taught by the monks. Shaolin is an external style. Wingchun internal. You are not or shoudn't be muscling punches in wingchun. Shaolin is all about muscle. They are the perfect combo to train becauese one has nothing to do with the other.

                        "I found that your school (if it is) was very self defence based,It seems that your streets are dangerous man...So is the spirit you told me about called "self defense"?"

                        Are streets aren't too dangerous anymore. Years ago it was crazy. You need to have killer instinct to make your kungfu street effective. if you don't have that all the kungfu in the world will be useless. I'm not saying everyone has it. I certainly do though. My teacher Sifu Grados and all the students call me "shaolin".

                        "Another thing...I really wish i could see the videos but my quicktime is not reading 'em...I'll try to upgrate it."

                        You are going to love the vids. Real street effective wingchun in action against resisting opponents. Sometimes it looks like they are being cooperative but that is because he is sooo good he makes people look bad. I am one of the few students he actual has free sparred with. I think I'm pretty good but I can't and have never gotten in on him even once. Neither has anyone else. people have trouble believing this but it is 1000% true.

                        "I partially agree that having the ultimate six pack is not obligatory and most of us don't have time to do sit up all day long...It looks a bit like a "Ramboisation".But yet it is not a disconfort, and definitly gives you some punching and kicking power as well as the capacity to do all sort of acrobatics easily."

                        Having a six pack is a good thing but there are more important things to work on in training.

                        "It is true that a good high kick is 99/cent an immediate K.O. In the ring it is a very good weapon and no nead to be a master to try yourslef at it. But sometimes i just feel that bare hand it is easy to block and sweep or worst give a front in the "ultra pain area" lol. Need to train for few years and maybe one day i'll feel more confident about it."

                        Kicks need to be setup especially kicks to the face. Yet everytime I see a kungfu guy or anyone kick to the face it is usually done with no setup and hands dropped by the sides. I'll never understand it.

                        "Do you practise leg raises? If you don't you should start, it gives instant flexibility, isn't it what you're looking for?"

                        I am pretty flexable and known for my kicking. I find the best stretching exercise is bringing your face to your toes and keeping your leg and knee straight. Shaolin monks have mastered the strategy it takes to get your kicks high and powerful. If you use weights and work on muscle mass it takes away speed from the kick. Then they just become slow and powerful. I find those type of kicks are practically useless against someone who knows what they are doing.

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                        • #13
                          Mortal I wanna train under you!
                          Becoming what I've dreamed about.

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                          • #14
                            "KFM: Why arent there any high kicks in wing chun? Its a useful technique which your style seems to ignore. Why dont you kick to the head?
                            Augistine Fong: Same reason I dont punch you in your feet.
                            KFM: but kicks to the head can be very powerful, is there a good reason your style ignores these techniques?
                            Augistine Fong: Why would I run you over with a mac truck when i can run you over just as well with a volkswagon?"

                            It talks by itself, i'm so lol!It seems so evident...

                            Ok,Mortal's Sifu is from the bronx...Ive been to harlem in 1995 so i can berely imagine what the bronx must be, however i'm surprised that he's still alive 'cause over there they like more automatic guns.

                            Hey Mortal i can't see the videos but i really want to.Can you tell me why, i have quicktime but all i see is a grey interface...d'u have a link?

                            When you say Shaolin has nothing to do with WC, well do you consider that Southern Shaolin could be more or less related with it, considering that 1 south is more punch-oriented, and 2 which martial art isn't related in any way with Shaolin?

                            Shaolin is an external style?I thought they were doing hours of Qikong every day....

                            So do you only practise passive stretching? It's such a waste that most of the MA schools deny leg raises...Anyway you can see that they do a lot of them in China, when they grab their foot with the hand over their head, after they raised it like if there was an internal lift...These are the only guys who can split instantly and kick high and fast. Here we all stretch for hours but yet are not able to use our stretchability at any time...Waste! Leg raises help more than you think.
                            The East? The West?

                            Men and Women, that's all...

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                            • #15
                              "KFM: Why arent there any high kicks in wing chun? Its a useful technique which your style seems to ignore. Why dont you kick to the head?
                              Augistine Fong: Same reason I dont punch you in your feet.
                              KFM: but kicks to the head can be very powerful, is there a good reason your style ignores these techniques?
                              Augistine Fong: Why would I run you over with a mac truck when i can run you over just as well with a volkswagon?"

                              It talks by itself, i'm so lol!It seems so evident...

                              Not sure what you mean here. In my opnion Sifu fong nees to be in better shape to even fathom a high kick. Little chubby guys hate high kick because they can't do them.

                              "Ok,Mortal's Sifu is from the bronx...Ive been to harlem in 1995 so i can berely imagine what the bronx must be, however i'm surprised that he's still alive 'cause over there they like more automatic guns."

                              For the record there are many fights without guns. Most for that matter. I find when people are so worried about being shot they haven't really had many fights. It is NOT the norm. I know people that have been shot and killed but it was always something to do with the mafia. Also when he fights the other guy is knocked out so fast he couldn't shoot a gun if he had it.

                              "Hey Mortal i can't see the videos but i really want to.Can you tell me why, i have quicktime but all i see is a grey interface...d'u have a link?"

                              Try downloading real player. That should work.

                              "When you say Shaolin has nothing to do with WC, well do you consider that Southern Shaolin could be more or less related with it, considering that 1 south is more punch-oriented, and 2 which martial art isn't related in any way with Shaolin?"

                              Just because they are both southern styles doesn't mean they have anything to do with each other. Many chinese arts have nothing to do with shaolin. They all just say that for marketing. Same thing here in the states.

                              "Shaolin is an external style?I thought they were doing hours of Qikong every day...."

                              They do very little chi gung actually. Most of their time is used training sport wushu. The chinese have martial exercises for every age. Teenager=shaolin/wushu, twenty's=internal/some wushu, thirty's=taichi, Above that chi gung.

                              "So do you only practise passive stretching? It's such a waste that most of the MA schools deny leg raises...Anyway you can see that they do a lot of them in China, when they grab their foot with the hand over their head, after they raised it like if there was an internal lift...These are the only guys who can split instantly and kick high and fast. Here we all stretch for hours but yet are not able to use our stretchability at any time...Waste! Leg raises help more than you think."

                              I don't deny leg raises. I'm saying I do soooo many other various tyypes of stretching that I don't need another. Its not like I have never done it.

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