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    Is Master Wong really that good?

    I found this page of previews of instructional dvds by Master Wong who seems to have his school in the UK.


    http://www.masterwong-tv.com/home.html
    http://www.masterwongdvd.com/catalog/index.php

    On amazon UK these dvds get really enthusiastic reviews and most european mailorder sites sell them. So I wanted to know if it is really that good.

    anyone wants to comment on them? Anyone seen the actual dvds?

    I thought that these dvds, considering the price, look like a good buy. I myself have been training and teaching Shaolin for several years, practice tai chi chen for a couple a years and recently started win chung. This is to let you know from which point of view I'm looking at this.

    the Tai Chi Combat thing looks interesting to me because I never learned combat drills for Tai Chi, only form and Chin Na applications and I want my tai chi to be martial art and not only form. As for Win Chung I was looking for some instructionals as a reference anyway.

    Any advise or reference to other good titles would be great.

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    my comment would be...

    "De Plane! De Plane! DEE PLAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNE!"
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    arhat: 'my comment would be...

    "De Plane! De Plane! DEE PLAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNE!" ´


    I presume you refer to Herve Villechaize.... which really helps me a lot on my judgement of the instructional dvds....

    some comments on skill rather than on appearance would be nice

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    You're looking for mature commentary on this website?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carona
    arhat: 'my comment would be...

    "De Plane! De Plane! DEE PLAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNE!" ´


    I presume you refer to Herve Villechaize.... which really helps me a lot on my judgement of the instructional dvds....

    some comments on skill rather than on appearance would be nice
    You presume correct sir! Well you are not quite the dull tack at all! you got the Herve reference so I think that tells you everything you need to know about Master Wong's DVD, skills, appearance, and all. come now carona. all you need do is take one cold hard look at those, and know you should enroll in a gun class...

    Maybe if you lived at the weather station on the arctic circle, but barring that, people have little to no excuse to not seek out good masters.
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    Well, you just type 'de plane, de plane' in google and you find out about Herve. I do am a dull tack because I didn't know who you referred to. Or maybe it's the fact that I am not living in the States so i don't see the same tvshows as you guys do. In fact I don't even have a television to watch those series. Or how Google helped me tricking you into believing I'm not as dull as dishwater. This is actually something you should take into consideration when reading posts by people who are not native English speakers, and therefor not US citizens. For me it' s ok if you want to judge based on my choice of vocabulary, but remember that I had to learn a foreign language to post on this forum. Imagine you posting on a forum in Dutch (my language). I once had to quote Stanley Kubrick and use the word reacharound to make someone understand that people who don't speak fluently english are not asdumb as he thought. I'm not taking this personal but I did see some posts by other non English speakers who were made fun of and didn't care to contribute anymore to the forum. Maybe loosing a lot of interesting info from these people...

    Let me make it clear that I am not looking for a teacher and I certainly do not pretend to learn a new style by watching dvds.

    I studied 5 years shaolin in Belgium with a teacher who he himself learned from Shi de ding ( Jiao Hong Bo), shi shi yong and other monks at the end of the eighties. Later we got visits from several monks and for example shi xing peng ( zhang li peng) stayed quite a while at our school before starting his own. I had several occasions to train with some monks myself. Sometimes we had guest teachers in kung fu (not shaolin i mean by this) as well. Then 3 years ago I moved to Spain and when I didn't find any teacher who seemed advanced/credible enough I was thinking of studying shaolin in China, but gave up on the idea after seeing numerous monks perform 'new' or 'shortened' versions of traditional forms that I had learned in Belgium. of all the places you'd expect to have to go for traditional kungfu... so why bother going to china and having to teach the full version of forms to the chinese teacher that's supposed to teach me, as happened to a fellow student of mine. So I'm travelling back and forth once in a while and still studying with those who seem fit and am teaching at the same time in Spain.

    As for Tai chi chen, my teacher is a direct disciple of Chen Shitong. ( Damn, that sounds too much like 'my dad is a police officer'type of childish nonsense). I studied like 3 years with him. He lives in Belgium and I moved to spain... same story as for shaolin.

    And when I mentioned I started Win Chung recently, it means that I'm going to clases twice a week since last summer.

    I just wanted to explain that I'm not the typical newbie who wants to learn fast without good instructor.

    So, to return to the subject: I was interested in the fact that this Master Wong does some combat drills using chen tai chi. And I wanted to have a reference for win chung if one day I want to look something up as I do for example with the Tagou encyclopedia (I do not learn forms from the book, just once in a while I look into it to see if a certain movement uses a palm or fist for example, when my memory plays tricks on me.)

    And one thing that made me consider buying this stuff ( not talking about gun courses) is this review on amazon UK I include here.

    http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/image.../stars-5-0.gifPeople who don't understand shouldn't comment, 26 Jul 2004
    Reviewer:combat (United Kingdom) - See all my reviewsMy name is Chen Lei, a former National Wushu Champions in China. As a Martial Arts teacher, I would like to give my respects and complements to Master Wong for his contributions on the development of Chinese Martial Arts, especially in the fighting aspect in Europe.Martial arts have always been about variety and diversity: different styles, different cultures, and different states. Individuals vary from one another in terms of body size, age, personality, and other vital respects. So everyone has his or her own styles of fighting and performing, as long as they follow the principle of each particular style, and emphasis on the essences of Chinese martial arts on self-defence, health, culture & arts.
    I must say that Master Wong has created a new way of Chinese fighting, which based on the principle and tradition of Chinese Martial Arts. His fighting skills are very effective in self-defence, as well as in the health benefits. Therefore it would be insensible for anyone who works in Chinese Martial Arts industry to criticise someone's style without truly understanding of Chinese Martial Arts.


    So could we start again on discussing this Master Wong and not by the way he dresses or does his presentations. I would like someone with win chung and tai chi chen background look at the techniques he uses and talk about those. I am not one of his students defending him. I just want to know if you think this would be wort buying. And if not recommend something that's worth buying by another author.


    And now for something completely different.

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    I must say that Master Wong has created a new way of Chinese fighting, which based on the principle and tradition of Chinese Martial Arts. His fighting skills are very effective in self-defence, as well as in the health benefits. Therefore it would be insensible for anyone who works in Chinese Martial Arts industry to criticise someone's style without truly understanding of Chinese Martial Arts.
    Well, I don't kow about you guys, but, I certainly didn't understand that. Sounds like bullshit to my New York trained ears.

    Oh, and welcome to the gang Carona. Don't let Arhat bother you man, he's due for his Jamaica trip soon. He'll settle down again, lol.
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    Carona, welcome!

    surely nobody here would like to take a pop at your use of english language, which is admirable given you clearly fooled the crew here!

    Also it seems to me that you know your martial arts.

    So we will cut throught the chase... I think Doc hit the nail on the head... the Chinese do seem to have a habit of making glib comments about each other's ability (its a form of back scratching), so you are right to be wary of these grand statements.

    There is a performance art and the traditional arts. Hengxuan performs for the crowd and chops his quans around... putting a crowd pleaser in here and another in there, but is quite open with me that he is bastardizing the traditional to please the Western audience. If you turn up to his classes, he only teaches Shaolin traditional, albeit in a way that is more attune to westerners' training needs. If a student doesn't accept that, then Hengxuan believes the student should find a different shifu.

    Of course most, when they start learning, only want to learn the show-off stuff... then usually pick up the bug and realise the value in the traditional forms... it takes time to make the transition, and the bulk in the west haven't gone through it yet. So the demand is for the modern / performance stuff so the teaching tends to supply the demand.

    There's a shortage of good shifus out there teaching the traditional stuff. Which part of Spain are you in? I have family down there, so Hengxuan will come visit some time in the next year or two, and if he likes it might come down there regularly so you could get a "fix" every once in a while if you are close by.

    Chicken

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    uuuhhhh...Car? It has nothing to do with your first, second, third, or even fourth language.

    You asked for opinions of Master Wong, the uber sifu DVD, and apparently you felt like it was worth serious discussion.

    In my first language opinion, it's horseshit.

    2nd Language.
    Caca.

    3rd.
    Cavallu Mierda.

    4th
    Pferd schiess.

    5th
    Merde Cheval.

    6th
    Bombaclaat *****hole horseshit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carona
    I'm not taking this personal but I did see some posts by other non English speakers who were made fun of and didn't care to contribute anymore to the forum. Maybe loosing a lot of interesting info from these people...
    You mean BL? I agree she is a non english speaker and we make fun of her, but it sure as shit doesn't stop her from posting. Hell would have to literally freeze over.

    Anyway, toughen up soldier, before vince calls you a whiny crybaby.
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