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    Check This Out

    I just stumbled across this.
    You more experienced martial artists might not find it that amazing.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45hWbIy5Fkk&NR

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    that same group had Genki sudo (the best fighter ever) of Pride/K-1 practice beating them. It's in japanese but that doesnt matter.

    The school is in michigan (But no where near me closer to chicago). I tried looking up there website but it doesnt seem to be around now....maybe they went belly up after students weren't able to have family after training.
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    I wonder what the injury rate of their students are? Still I wish I could take a hit like that and not be injured. How do they do it? anyone know

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    if they can take hits like that while fighting then ill be impressed

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    B-b-b-b-bullshit!!

    I've seen those guys on tv before nothing really impresses me about any of it.

    A) They know when and where the strikes are coming
    B) all strikes I saw were completely linear I'd like to see someone take a shot to the jaw or a nice running sidekick lol...

    Things like this are nothing enw to martial arts many systems have similar techniques. Iron body, golden bell, iron shirt, hard qigong whatever you wanna call it...

    To truly test this crap get one to submit to a test in which he would not know where the strike was going to come from or when it was going to happen.. Then you could determine the validity of their claims.. Or even better go to test it out say your gott hit them in the throat and then fka eit and hit him in the nuts or stomach... or hell kick him in the knee. Roll Credits the end....
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    Did you watch the one with genki sudo? He does combonations on them. Granted they are pre-determined combos but it take some skill to do that. I agree its a side show act but you have to admire their courage and will to train that. Again I agree with you but its not BS. Even your former shifu (SYM) did stuff like this to get the people coming to his school. Are they no different from him?
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    WEll I can personally atest that Yan Mings iron body is of a similar caliber of bullshit.. There was a film crew there one day filming them break sticks over his various body parts.. A matter of physics mind you... but anyways.. One students was supposed to aim for a certain spot on his stomach but missed and hit him in the ribs cause the wind to get knocked out of him and for him to be really startled. This hit even grew blood.... He seemed to play off the incident and I dont believe that shot was used in the documentary. lol

    The stick breaking thing though from a physics stand point relies on 2 things.... 1) torque 2) non elastic properties of the wood...

    The wood used is maybe 3-4 feet long with the strike happening near where your swinger is holding the staff. This means there is 2-3 feet of wood above the contact point. This means the weight of the staff acting with the momentum causes the staff to break near instantly on contact. This also has to do with the thickness and type of wood. The wood is maybe a few inches in diameter which makes it seem more impressive but in reality makes the demonstration easier. See the thick wood will not flex as well as a thin piece. Thus it fractures at the point of contact. I would like to see the same demonstration with a thinner piece of wood like one of the staffs used for your typical form. What would happen is on contact the upper portion would jsut flex and the energy of the weight and swing would just be transfered into the arm at the point of contact, where as before the staff broke so much of the energy is lost.

    So, back to taking punches. This also is a matter of physics once you break it down. The punches are straight on which takes advantage of compression on the bones. Since our bones are designed to work under compression there is little difficulty pulling this off.

    Now, go back to the kicks to the groin. If you notice they always lift their hips a second before impact so the attacker is then hititng bone verse soft round tissue...

    Now all this being said.... In order to pull off any of this crap you need to have a deep understanding of mechanics and bdoy alignment as well as conditioning. Shots to the throat are probably the most difficult to pull off but i'd also say the most pointless.. why punch someone in the throat when you can hit them in the face or jaw?

    In conclusion no magic energy or super secret mystic training techniques to get you there.. Simple physics and moderate understanding of how the body works.
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    In regards to your comments on physics: isn't all good chin-na and any martial arts for the matter based on physics? Is physics the magic behind Qi? or is Qi something else? These guys in the video claim their combat-ki can save them from devestating attacks like the ones shown. but I think we can all agree that's only possible in pre-set situations. As for the Throat punches, they aren't pointless but that's an opinion that changes depending on your martial heritage.

    These videos and others like them are the magical veil that covers that truth. It's the pretty waitress at a restaurant. While the food might not be good, you keep going back for the view, even if you know there's no chance she'll go out with you. As long as people keep having interest in the martial arts it can continue to grow and evolve. Most (I hope) who have studied for a few years realize the importance of the "side show acts". Yes there is that souring feeling when you look under the veil and see what's really going on. If you can look past that and see all the other great things that martial arts has to offer then you can be content but if you dwell on the absurdity of the claims that some of the so called masters say they have they you sour away and become just like them or go crazy to try the stunts on your own or kill yourself either way someone will learn from it.

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    words are wordy.
    Too true, too true.

    These tricks can of course all be explained through simple physics. The name of the game is controlling the conditions of the performance to make it seem as if what you're doing is supernatural. There's a reason that you don't see people standing like statues in the UFC, and you don't get scientifically-controlled experiments where people can knock each other down with Qi energy.

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    Love the analogy of the waitress.. having witnessed friend actually do this it makes perfect sense...

    But your both right the situation was under their total control. i saw a show on NGC called Is it Real? A BS master claimed he could knock people down with Qi. His students were falling down with ease and acitng like sick fish. 2 scientists rolled in a looked like it was a struggle for them to keep form laughing.. But this guy was so convinced of his own power. Finally the scientists challenged him to knock them down. They jsut stood there while these idiots waved thier hands around.. Nothing happened. And of course the excuses came next... Well it wouldve work if... it didnt work because... blah blah blah
    The essential point in science it not a complicated mathematical formalism or a ritualized experimentation. Rather the heart of science is a kind of shrewd honesty the springs from really wanting to know what the hell is going on!

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