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Thread: What's up with the continuous punch???

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    What's up with the continuous punch???

    I am still new to Win Chung since I started studying october of last year but I believe that for years of training in other arts there is something I need to give my opinion on.

    Allmost all the time that I see win chung there's people who as training block or deviate one single attack and then rush in with continuous punch to the face.

    I do understand the pros of the idea of using continuous impacts but I also think I understood something about controling the situation by controlling the centerline and sitance, forcing the opponent to do what you expect him to do and also about searching for contact to sense the opponent´s intentions and be able to react or anticipate to keep yourself from being hit, especially if your facing a stronger attacker.
    I understand that using a punch pushing with the forearm/elbow against the attacking arm blocks the attack and can clear the way for your counterattack which could be the same punch that was used as block. I understand that the blocked arm you push against with the foream/elbow is being controlled and you can sense movements of it helping to prevent further attack with this arm and so eliminating your enemies attacking options, which makes it easier for yourself to defend yourself from them.

    So can anyone explain me how rushing forward with continuous punch to the face uses these concepts????????????

    Because I thought the idea of a win chung punch was used to block or deviate an attack, maintain contact and doing so controlling the distance , centerline and the limb that attacked and at the same time to set up for or be a counterattack.

    When rushing forward striking multiple punches, how do you control your opponent's arms and keep from being hit yourself??? What if your enemy throws a punch at you but keeps his guard up, how do you keep him from throwing another punch at you while you are closing in??
    Isn't this nothing more than simple interchange of blows then?? How does this benefit a weaker person who is on the defense against a stronger attacker??? I don't see any control of distance, attacker or yourself, no backup plan if it doesn't work, no .....


    What I wanted to say is that up until now my opinion on this omnipresent Continuous punch is that there is no art in it and that it´s going against the whole theory, which Win Chung is based on and that exactly that´s what gives win Chung a bad reputation. I am not critizing Win Chung as an art, just wanted to vent some ideas on the fact that when you say the name win chung people start making circles with their fists because a lot of people only know and train exactly that as if it were real Win Chung.

    maybe someone can explain me how this wildly punching around while rushing in really works, but in the meanwhile I prefer to focus on other aspects of win Chung.

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    I can't explain that either. I trained in some wing chun for a hot minute and when I saw that it was kind of silly. But if you have been training iron palm for awhile and you are fast enough those quick punches to the face or jawline will surely do some damage if not knock the oppenent out. You really have to train that though. I wouldn't do it personally but I understand why someone thinks its a good idea because they exploit the opening after blocking or deflecting with one of the pak sau or lop sau or whatever and then BAM! rush in through that open door. Remember though people have two arms and two hands. Just because you blocked one doesn't mean the other isnt there to grab you or punch or tickle you or lather you up for a shampoo.
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    I've never trained in Wing Chung how come its silly Tetsumaru?

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    First I'd lile to retract my statement about the blocking one arm thing. I remember all the tangling up that they do with the arms. See I don't know anything.

    silly as in it looks silly. Like rock em sock em robots. I'm trying to find a good example of what i mean on Youtube. But there's too much crap to sort through. Anyway even though it looks silly it doesn't mean its not effective. it's the age old argument of speed vs. power. I'm totally talking out of my ass but I think at higher levels of wing chun you have a good balance of speed and power but for the first years! of training wing chun you are building speed and learning to relax while punching. Like I said I don't know anything..seriously...i'm not being sarcastic...what do u think carona?
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    well i guess ill be defending my style then.. okay so first of all anyone who uses the chain punch or continuous punch to close space inbetween the opponent doesnt know what they are doing, and if thats what youre being taught find a new school.. what the continuous punch is for is when you are already on the inside of your opponent and you have already taken his centerline or youre on his side... what happens in alot of fighting is while some punches are being exchanged there eventually comes a point when one person feels crowded or their anxiety starts to get high, so they will try to step back to regain their composure, what the continuous punch does, is because wingchun is a close fighting art usually when you get close to someone like that you cant see punches and react fast enough , which is why we use our sensitivity.. and at that moment the opponent freezes up or tries to step back to regain their composure, we come forward with the chain punch and never allow them to do so

    i mean its kinda hard to explain with just words, if i can get a camera i will try to get a video up, anymore questions about wingchun let me know

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    Hey Wu LongXin, thanks for your excellent reply.

    First of all you don't need to defend win Chung in this thread, because I am not attacking the style. I just felt the need to say what I thought about this rushing in to get into close range.
    Like you yourself replied:

    "...anyone who uses the chain punch or continuous punch to close space inbetween the opponent doesnt know what they are doing..."

    Also i'd like to say you explained quite clearly what the real purpose of continuous punch is. This concept and using it this way I understood already before starting the thread and I agree to its usefulness.

    But I was thinking a lot about win chung techniques lately and, I know it shouldn't but, it irritated me seeing the continuous punch used wrongly by a lot a people. I find it sad that a wrongly used technique has become the trademark of a style, which I value a lot.

    So my " maybe someone can explain me how this wildly punching around while rushing in really works" question was a rethorical one.

    I Started this thread to make other practitioners think about the correct use of this technique and as you put it "...and if thats what youre being taught find a new school.." or at least discuss it with the teacher and other students.

    Also i hoped to get some confirmation on my own idea of this technique like everyone else looks for confirmation.



    Testumaru:

    I think indeed the idea is being fast, but I believe, and Wu Longxin can join in with comments, that when you're still at long or medium range it is important to choose the right moment to enter and prepare your attack well by closing into the close range, where wing chung works, cautiously using speed coming from sensitivity and not off rushing in.


    I don`t know if I'm making myself clear on this, but basically what I want to say is:
    Wrong use of continuous punch does not work advancing from long range, which is not win chung terrain, passing through middle range, where you avoid being hit yourself by controlling centerline and keeping your balance to finally get into close range what win chung is designed for.



    So I'd resume: Silly when it's used to close the distance and definitely not silly if used correctly, as explained by Wu LongXin.


    (b.t.w can someone explain me how to include quotes the right way??)

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    (b.t.w can someone explain me how to include quotes the right way??)
    just read on another thread how to do this......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wu Longxin
    what the continuous punch does, is because wingchun is a close fighting art usually when you get close to someone like that you cant see punches and react fast enough , which is why we use our sensitivity..
    Didn't know that wing chun practitioners were "sensitive guys"....

    Care to explain that? Not to get off this continuous punch thing,which I have some things to say about.
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    well doc ,
    the whole thing about the close combat is when youre on the outside its easy to see and block punches and kicks, but once you get past a certain range you just cant react fast enough in order to block the punches moving at the same speed. so in proper wingchun training we train to be sensitive enough to be able to be able to sence the opponents intent, so with our turning stance and footwork, etc , we can yeild to energy, move around points, circling the opponent , all the while delivering powerful punches/ kicks from close range.. we learn all of this in our chi sao training, thats were we develope the sensitivity... we learn to stay relaxed because if your shoulders or something get tense and someone gives you a hard lop sao that can really do some damage to someone who doesnt know how to stay soft.. ive actually thrown a muay thai guy on the ground when he punched and i met his arm and lopped him and he tensed up and went straight down.. one of the guys in my school has a video up on youtube ill post the link a little later of him chi saoing..

    carona,
    when i said defend i didnt mean it like that , i meant more of like ill be the one to represent..but believe me alot of people out there give wingchun a bad name, when i go on youtube and look at the stuff on there i actually get mad.. and yes rushing in is always bad, which is what i see from alot of other wingchun guys, so they always get taken down and wonder why, but even though i am very fast i can tell you its not as much speed as it is timing.. being able to see when the opponents energy drops, or his balance is off.. pretty much if you use the chain punch and your opponent can step back you were too far away, coz that step back could lead to a take down , and kick or haymaker that youre going to walk right into

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wu Longxin
    so in proper wingchun training we train to be sensitive enough to be able to be able to sence the opponents intent,
    that's what I was getting at.

    Just wondering if you'd clarify that part.
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