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  • #91
    No, I'm more simple than that.

    I just think that in general, a significant majority of people are either just stupid or ignorant.

    But then again, I'm old, jaded and cynical.
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    • #92
      A 17-year-old Pakistani girl forced to marry a 45-year-old when she was only nine was reportedly killed by her parents, according to the Weekend Australian.

      The murder has intensified despair among human rights workers in Pakistan over a recent spate of "honor killings," in which two women and three teenage school girls were buried alive in Baluchistan Province because they wanted to marry the men of their choice.

      Saira Nusrat Bibi was successfully fighting a legal battle to have her marriage annulled. As she left court in the Punjabi city of Sahiwal, she was surrounded by a group of men reportedly sent by her parents, and shot in front of police, The Australian reported.

      The Baluchistan case was worsened by an attempt by a member of the country's national parliament, Senator Israr Ullah Zehri, to defend it, telling colleagues that "these are centuries-old traditions and I will continue to defend them,” The Australian reports.
      From MSNBC News.
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      • #93
        Well, what usually islamist reply to this kind of critique is that in many countries there is child prostitution, forced prostitution. I have just seen a documentary about child prostitution in India, i think it also exists in Thailand. And forced prostitution is common in the west. It exists in France. Even prostitution for economical reasons can be somehow seen as forced prostitution under the system of capitalism.

        About arranged marriage and the husband killing the wife, it also happens in India.

        As Gandhi said, better to take care of our neighbours first then to bring trouble with our values to far away people. That does not mean we can accept unethical treatments in far away countries, but we must first face our own situation and accept the critics of islamist about the merchandization of women. If we accept unethical treatment of children, for instance with prostitution but also sweat shops owned by western companies, and women here and criticize the situation of women in some islamic country we go with double standards again.

        Double standards is a big problem the West has to face.
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        • #94
          You won't find much prostitution in Islamic countries. These places are fairly rigidly kept, and that type of shit is hard to find, other than, Dubai (which has some bad problems erupting right now, Russian mafia, etc).

          India is Hindu, not Islamic.
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          • #95
            Dubai is crazy corrupt right now. That much money will do it. Yet people called me crazy when I said it was a bad idea to have all these dealing with Dubai.
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            • #96
              No clear winner in Kashmir election

              December 29, 2008 - 6:10AM

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              Kashmir's first election since a wave of deadly protest against Indian rule swept through the disputed region has resulted in a deadlocked legislature, officials said on Sunday, sparking a scramble to form a new coalition government.
              The National Conference party emerged as the single largest party, winning 28 of 87 seats in the state assembly, according to the state electoral office.
              Its arch rival Peoples Democratic Party followed with 21 seats, while the Congress party won 17 seats.
              All three parties have pro-India stances.
              With no party gaining a majority of 44 seats, the new government will have to be an alliance of two or more parties.
              Omar Abdullah, the National Conference leader, said his party would likely approach Congress officials to discuss forming an alliance.
              Once the new state government is formed, it will mark the end of nearly six months of federal rule in India's only Muslim-majority state.
              Separatists had urged residents to protest and boycott the vote, saying the election would only strengthen India's hold on the Himalayan region.
              Anti-India sentiment runs deep in Kashmir, where most people favour either independence or a merger with Pakistan.
              Kashmir is divided between India and Pakistan and claimed by both.
              Voting was largely peaceful with a higher-than-expected turnout of more than 60 per cent, though there were anti-India protests throughout.
              On Sunday, hundreds of demonstrators in Srinagar, Indian Kashmir's main city, protested against Indian rule and chanted: "We want freedom."
              A police officer said protesters were throwing rocks, and troops fired warning shots and tear gas to disperse them. At least five protesters and three soldiers were injured, the officer said.
              The elections, which began November 17 and ended on Wednesday, were held in seven phases. The staggered balloting allowed the government to deploy thousands of security forces in each area in a bid to prevent the deadly violence sparked by elections in 2002 and thwart separatist attempts to enforce the boycott.
              Also picking up seats in the election was the Hindu-nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, which won 11 seats. The party won only one seat in the previous election.
              Congress President Sonia Gandhi and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh were among several senior Congress leaders to visit Kashmir during the campaign season.
              The Congress party, which leads the governing coalition currently in power in New Delhi, ruled Jammu-Kashmir state in an alliance with the People's Democratic Party until August when the chief minister resigned following weeks of deadly anti-India protests that left more than 50 people dead.
              The federal government stepped in to fill the vacuum and announced plans to hold the phased election.
              Separatist groups have been fighting since 1989 to end Indian rule. The uprising and a subsequent Indian crackdown have killed about 68,000 people, mostly civilians.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by doc View Post
                You won't find much prostitution in Islamic countries. These places are fairly rigidly kept, and that type of shit is hard to find, other than, Dubai (which has some bad problems erupting right now, Russian mafia, etc). .
                You mean the Russian Jew mafia.

                See what happens when you work for Israel? Your country fills up with pornography, drugs, and gangsters.

                Dubai works for Israel and their country will be destroyed for it. Soon they will be airheads full of drugs with nothing on their minds but holding their dicks, just like the people in the western countries that Israel controls.

                Wonder what the Viagra sales in Dubai are like? I bet Viagra sales would be an excellent indicator of the progress of the plan to destroy a target country.

                "Sergeant! Has the country turned away from religion, education and morality, and turned to Viagra?"

                "Yes they have colonel. The destruction of the citizens of that culture, and the culture itself, is proceeding as planned."

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                • #98
                  The Russian mafia types that I run into in Phuket are not Jewish.

                  Yes, we have them here also. They launder their money in land and condo purchases. You see them with their Russian prostitutes (they bring their own, not bothering with local stuff) in the shopping malls.

                  They work out in my gym...
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                  • #99
                    From MSNBC, I found this, well, interesting, tragic, and like a lot of tragedy, comical in a weird sort of way:

                    BUFFALO, N.Y. - A suburban Buffalo man who founded a cable TV station to promote better understanding of Muslims in the U.S. has been arrested on charges he beheaded his wife.

                    Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004 amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light. Its slogan was "connecting people through understanding."
                    There's a lot to be said from that little story.
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                    • That kind of crazy probably means he was a Sunni. I heard about this story around here too.
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                      • Originally posted by mbokohutu View Post
                        See what happens when you work for Israel? Your country fills up with pornography, drugs, and gangsters.
                        Sign me up lol. Maybe the gangsters can keep the scum that gets hired these days as cops at bay.

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                        • Doc, any comment on the following article? Why these muslims have been tortured in Thailand? I think isolation aint good...

                          The government has revealed for the first time the extent of the destruction of videotapes in 2005 by the CIA, saying agency officers destroyed 92 videotapes documenting the harsh interrogations of two Qaeda suspects in CIA detention.
                          The disclosure Monday came in a letter filed by federal prosecutors investigating the destruction of the tapes in November 2005.
                          It had been previously known that officials of the agency had destroyed hundreds of hours of videotaped interrogations, but the documents filed Monday reveal the number of tapes.
                          The tapes had been held in a safe at the CIA station in Thailand, the country where two detainees - Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri - were interrogated.
                          The filing of the documents, submitted to a court in New York as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, came as federal prosecutors were wrapping up the investigation into the matter.
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                          The criminal investigation, begun in January 2008, is being led by John Durham, a career prosecutor from Connecticut with long experience trying organized-crime cases.
                          The order to destroy the tapes was given by Jose Rodriguez Jr., who at the time was the head of the spy agency's clandestine service.
                          Prosecutors have spent months trying to piece together whether anyone besides Rodriguez authorized the destruction and to decide whether anyone should be indicted in the matter.
                          The tapes were destroyed as Congress and the courts were intensifying their scrutiny of the agency's detention and interrogation program.
                          The American Civil Liberties Union is asking a judge to hold the agency in contempt for destroying the tapes.
                          The destroyed videotapes are thought to have depicted some of the harshest interrogation techniques used by the CIA during the two years after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, including the simulated drowning technique called waterboarding.

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                          • Live by the sword, die by the board.

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                            • I read this explanation from an american colonel in Afghanistan

                              "We do good things to good people and bad things to bad people"

                              I dont know if it has to be taken first level but does not really seem like a non violent tactic. Or maybe he is one of this people that needs the cycle of violence to exist?


                              Peace and love

                              Aidé d'un jeune "conseiller politique" envoyé par le département d'Etat américain, le colonel Haight s'est mis à compulser la carte des tribus, des chouras (assemblées traditionnelles), des chefs de village, pour se familiariser avec un monde inconnu, et mettre en oeuvre les consignes du général David Petreaus, chef du Centcom et maître d'oeuvre de la guerre : travailler au plus près de la population, tenter de priver la guérilla de ses soutiens locaux. Le colonel résume tout cela d'une formule : "On est là pour faire du bien aux gentils, et du mal aux méchants !"

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                              • The issue in southern Thailand is not generally a religious issue; it has to do more with separatists who want their own country, and not be part of Thailand. These are generally very uneducated, impoverished peoples who originally hailed from parts of Malaysia. These battles have been going on, as far as I know, for well over a hundred years, and possibly more.
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