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Thread: why believe (or not) and the justification

  1. #21
    Well Z if we fall in love i m sure many girls will fall in love with us. And we can make some mystical tantric circle for world peace.

    Why believe in ghosts or not. A supposed not to lie monk tells a story

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCRbcVo8S3c&NR=1"]YouTube - Ven. Gunankaro - Ghost Story 3, Part 1 (10)[/ame]

    If u explore the poster dhammatube he has a ton of videos with Theravada monks
    Namo Guan Yin Pusa / Dont create suffering / Dont harm animals!

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    who are the chosen ones?

    is it this buddhist fellow who practices the "highest teaching of the buddha," is it the lamas who practice Powa, is it the christians, hindus, jews, muslims or daoists, the zoroastiranists, siks, shintos, tribesmen of africa, or others?

    i'm not saying anyone is a liar. i truly think they believe what they say. the problem is, so does everyone else.

  3. #23
    Why look for the contradictions? There is a lot in common and to look for this community is maybe a way to approach the truth. I say maybe because a bit like u i m very skeptic about religions. But to be maybe is an openness and in my everyday life i m often puzzled by strange coincidences, that seems kind of religious. And i ve wished my friends were more open to spirituality because being alone in a spiritual path can be a source of confusion. One should not keep his strange experiences for himself, thinking other people will call him mad. Talking about it is also a way of doubting your own experience and conclusions.

    So why look at the contradictions in religion? Doc pointed some texts in the Quran about God's revenge. I feel the doctrine of karma in Indian philosophy is as terrible, thousand of years of suffering. And human history is a mass of suffering. Remember the 6 million children dying every year without medicine? Isnt it a kind of holocaust?

    U say everyone believes what he says. It was the big problem of Socrates and he wanted to show them their contradictions and that they were just believing. But also remember that Indian philosophies insist on the importance of ignorance and even put it as the root of reality. And that in buddhism it is asked not to believe because of a tradition or a religious teacher but to believe from one s autonomous experience with goodness (and not truth).
    What s in common between religions? Gandhi said all men are brothers...
    Namo Guan Yin Pusa / Dont create suffering / Dont harm animals!

  4. #24
    About what is in common between religions this video is about similarities between hinduism and islam, by a very knowledgable muslim

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdBC6J9C_fU&feature=related"]YouTube - Similarities Between Hinduism and islam pt 1of11[/ame]
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    There is 11 part of it by the way, if u want it to watch it on youtube.

    At least sociogically interesting and showing a good aspect of islam.
    Namo Guan Yin Pusa / Dont create suffering / Dont harm animals!

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    a person may have false beliefs that help them in their lives, which they know are untrue, like the idea of a god called "guanyin," for example. but they are just helpful, unfounded, aids -- you might say -- nothing more.

    as for looking for contradictions, if there were none present, well, it simply wouldn't matter and the question would cease to exist. since there are contradictions, however, we examine the issues, question them, and then have opportunities to view things from different, often clearer perspectives.

    it's a process known as logical negation. certain logical incompatibilities exist between two or more concepts, as is the case with many religious premises, so we elliminate possibilies by stripping away the inconsistencies. sure, we can look for similarities, but without first looking for contradictions (in relation to science, etc), then we just end up putting blinders on. by emphasizing the similarities, we aren't facing the reality of the situation.

    it's like saying, "peter hits mary, but he's a great husband." again, we can say all the good things peter does, but, in the end, he still hits his wife. to say peter is a great husband is, therefore, a contradiction that can not be true. in other words, a statement must be either true or false; it cannot be both true and false at the same time.

    but what does one do with this kind of information? seems most religious people would just rather not think about it.

    i would say there's nothing in common with religious claims at all (that's actually useful), other than the core moral/ethical teachings relative to each one.

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    Derrida on belief and atheism

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3fScS2cnB0&feature=related"]YouTube - Jacques Derrida On 'Atheism' and 'Belief'[/ame]
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