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    The Real Shaolin, a documentary by a fellow russboian and good friend of mine, Alexander Lee, has been accepted by the Toronto Film Festival.

    He had urged me for a year or two, to be part of this. I declined, though he did film Shi De Cheng in, of all places, my bedroom at the doc house in Vegas. It was an interview (you filthy pigs..)

    Toronto - The Toronto International Film Festival announces 26 documentaries to screen in various programmes as part of TIFF08. One documentary will screen in Mavericks, two will screen as Special Presentations, one as a Masters title, and 22 as part of Real to Reel, showcasing the finest in non-fiction cinema from around the world. Highlights include a look at a fashion master in Valentino: The Last Emperor and a self-portrait of French auteur Agnès Varda in Les Plages d'Agnès. Guitar heroes Jimmy Page, The Edge and Jack White are profiled in It Might Get Loud. Two films, Youssou Ndour: I Bring What I Love and Soul Power, explore the musical exchange between Africa and abroad. Three films examine crusading eco-warriors - controversial Canadian activist Paul Watson in At the Edge of the World, authors Eric Schlosser and Michael Pollan in Food, Inc. and Native Americans of the Hoopa tribe in Upstream Battle. Two films revisit cases of injustice - from the courtrooms of California in Witch Hunt to a tarnished legacy in Israel in Killing Kasztner. Several films intersect with various sports, including kung fu masters in The Real Shaolin and LeBron James's high school basketball team in More Than a Game. Two films have the backdrop of Ivy League schools in the tumultuous year of 1968, with Tommy Lee Jones playing college football in Harvard Beats Yale 29-29 and student strikers at Columbia University in A Time to Stir. Not to mention the sexual revolution uncovered in American Swing.
    Well, I'm not heading to Toronto to see this, as it would screw up my girlfriend's US visa, but if anyone does head up, let us know how it is.

    It's not as revealing as I would have liked it to be, which is why I"m happy I decided not to appear in it, but Alex, from the parts that I have seen, did a bang up job on it. It should be, well, let's say, informative...
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  • #2
    Here is a link to the films website. Complete with trailer.

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    • #3
      the more i watch shit like this the more i start to hate shaolin

      its like every shaolin docu is a clone of the one that came before it just with different goofy lookin foreigners and different monks doing the same shit, talking about the same bullshit

      their training is not that crazy, they arent the best fighters, they arent enlightened to shit except maybe how fat our american wallets are, and maybe they understand the need for a shower
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      • #4
        If u r looking for enlightnement maybe u can try somme buddhist monks

        There r plenty of videos on youtube, just type Thich Nhat Hanh or Dalai Lama for instance

        Dalai Lama has also a site with a lot of videos
        www.dalailama.com

        Peace and love

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        • #5
          it's a shame that these kinds of programs are representive of the "real" shaolin, though nothing at all is said about the true meaning of the arts.

          ok, it may be "real," according to this documentary, but is it truly good or just another mechanism for gaining power? one may become skilled, capable of great feats, or even a wonderful fighter. but when those things are emphasized above his or her own healing and the healing of others, it's very unfortunate, in my opinion.
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          • #6
            If u r looking for enlightnement maybe u can try somme buddhist monks
            so some buddhist monks are enlightened? which ones? can you prove it?

            liu....this is another example of where you've asserted a truth that is simply based on hearsay, which has not and (apparently) can not be proved.

            see, you don't need to be a buddhist to assert the beliefs of buddism as factual truth. in my eyes, you're a buddhist purely because you've taken the vows of a buddhist and continue to follow them. now, whether that true or not, you still make assertions that represent their ideas, as well as other religous ideas, as truth all the time in your posts. this is an example. there are many many others.

            why suggest that someone go look for something that you yourself have never found?
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            • #7
              Well my friend u misunderstand me i think.

              Note that i said maybe. If u look for enlightnement maybe u can ask advice from buddhist monk.

              I m quite cautious to use maybe, it seems, i think.

              I talked about awakening because our shaolin brother did.

              I dont claim enlightnement exist, i dont claim it does not exist.
              But i know that some people said they have reach it, such as Bodhidhamma or Huineng, and being monks i tend to think they would not lie. So i think maybe it is true.

              But if u dont look for awakening are you not saying the truth is that it does not exist? R u not acting like a great religious man/philosopher/scientific?

              Anyway thanks for stopping me to be sectarian. I might from time take my desires for reality. But didnt the buddha said to give up desires for reality?

              About teachings, the video on the 4 noble truth by Dalai Lama on u tube is quite interesting. Talking about dependant origination, paticca samupada, he says that our way to see reality is often wrong as we see phenomenons as individuality. This make us also to have wrong emotions, while we believe these emotions are real and not momentary.

              U also say why suggest someone to find something u havent found. Well i dont think i have reached pure non violence for every sentient being in all ages, but i strongly suggest that u look for it! Does it make sense?

              Peace and love
              Last edited by liutangsanzang; 08-04-2008, 01:40 PM.

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              • #8
                I've known Alex for a long time; he used to lurk here quite regularly, and he's been a frequent visitor to the Merry Monkmas gathering's I've had in the past. He's not a bullshit guy.

                He hounded me for about two years to be in this documentary. Really wanted my input. I gave it to him, though I decided to stay out of the filming of it. This was back when Xingwei pulled his stunt with us, and I really wasn't in the mood for any more Shaolin type bullshit. I felt that if I had been in the documentary, I would have swayed it a little more towards the "dark side" than would have been appropriate. Alex wanted to have my side of the story, and my experiences, in his documentary, but I really did not want to expose what I knew and what I had lived. One day, I will.

                But my exposure to him kind of tainted his approach to this documentary, to some degree. He spent nine months in Dengfeng, looking at Shaolin from "under the surface", kind of what I do with this web site. It should be an interesting view of what Shaolin really is. I wouldn't discount this documentary as being another one of those shitty things that have come out in the past.

                I'm looking forward to seeing it.
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                • #9
                  I think it sounds pretty good too, maybe it will open some eyes of those young teenage boys who dream of running away to Shaolin.
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                  • #10
                    im not looking forward to it

                    i seriously doubt he really wanted any answers because he already knows them, i seriously doubt he asked the monks what was on his mind because hes afraid to get bitch slapped.

                    film makers are funny in that they want people to like their films, i mean seriously how many people give a **** about a shaolin monk, and not only that how many really care if they are grimey, self serving greed mongers and cultists

                    it doesnt look any different then anything ive seen, it even tells u what its about in the trailer, its the story of some group of fags who want to be ultimate fighters but they dont want to actually fight they just want to learn the bestest secretest craziest techniques that will kill u without them getting harmed because they are insecure and suck at life.
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                    • #11
                      it says something about a paradox between martial arts and meditation existing for the purpose enlightenment. but tthe rest of the trailer seems to be focused on becoming powerful, like superman, not health or healing. as this represents the "real" shaolin to date, i still feel it's a misguided approach.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Fa Hui View Post
                        I think it sounds pretty good too, maybe it will open some eyes of those young teenage boys who dream of running away to Shaolin.
                        Thanks for your concern.

                        Will the full movie be available for purchase/download/streaming?
                        Last edited by Ub1476; 08-06-2008, 07:15 PM.

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                        • #13
                          ahhh onesp1ng why did u have to mention that....that is the worst part about it to me lolo.

                          these monks and their bullshit meditation make me insane. even profiling them as monks makes me crazy. they arent monks, they arent shit but wushu guys with iron body who sometimes do san da others dont even do it, and san da is a little bitch imo anyway.

                          the sad fact of the matter is, gung fu IS meditation. SHAOLIN gung fu IS zen, thats the point of shaolin. the gung fu doesnt reinforce meditation, it is the meditation.

                          doesnt anyone else wonder why shaolin has so many forms? its not because they like to do forms or because forms are extremely good for combat training, people are different and most of the monks in the past only studied a handful of forms their whole life. today alot of gung fu people know like 50 forms and they are apparently mad dog killers...but only they cant fight unless its to the death lolo

                          ...nough said, if u dont know then u just dunno i guess
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                          • #14
                            Man Maestro is making alot of sense lately what is going on?
                            The essential point in science it not a complicated mathematical formalism or a ritualized experimentation. Rather the heart of science is a kind of shrewd honesty the springs from really wanting to know what the hell is going on!

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                            • #15
                              I m not a specialist in meditation but maybe there might be a difference between practicing chan meditation doing wushu and practicing while sitting without moving, eyes closed concentration on one's nature. I can hardly find the taste of sitting meditation in other part of my life.

                              I think Damo did mostly sitting meditation and the japanese zen tradition does emphasize that zen is zazen, sitting meditation.

                              SHi Heng Jun, head of Fa Wang Si, who now teaches in France, is also teaching sitting meditation. So some Shaolin monks do have interest in meditation. He does eat meat though, what seems in contradiction of the understanding of do not kill by real chan monks.

                              Peac and love

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