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  • #16
    Originally posted by Maestro View Post
    ahhh onesp1ng why did u have to mention that....that is the worst part about it to me lolo.

    these monks and their bullshit meditation make me insane. even profiling them as monks makes me crazy. they arent monks, they arent shit but wushu guys with iron body who sometimes do san da others dont even do it, and san da is a little bitch imo anyway.

    the sad fact of the matter is, gung fu IS meditation. SHAOLIN gung fu IS zen, thats the point of shaolin. the gung fu doesnt reinforce meditation, it is the meditation.

    doesnt anyone else wonder why shaolin has so many forms? its not because they like to do forms or because forms are extremely good for combat training, people are different and most of the monks in the past only studied a handful of forms their whole life. today alot of gung fu people know like 50 forms and they are apparently mad dog killers...but only they cant fight unless its to the death lolo

    ...nough said, if u dont know then u just dunno i guess
    Even though you come across a little on the negative side, think your statement holds a lot of merit in it. In my opinion every action is zen, no matter whether you are walking, sitting, shitting, fighting, cuddling your girlfriend, or whatever. Those things are zen just as long as you are truly experiencing them for what they are.

    The problem arises when you start to separate things apart, thinking that meditation is only when you have your ass on a cushion or you are practicing walking. When you think you are meditating, you most likely aren't.

    I m not a specialist in meditation but maybe there might be a difference between practicing chan meditation doing wushu and practicing while sitting without moving, eyes closed concentration on one's nature. I can hardly find the taste of sitting meditation in other part of my life.

    I think Damo did mostly sitting meditation and the japanese zen tradition does emphasize that zen is zazen, sitting meditation.
    My point exactly; and...

    SHi Heng Jun, head of Fa Wang Si, who now teaches in France, is also teaching sitting meditation. So some Shaolin monks do have interest in meditation. He does eat meat though, what seems in contradiction of the understanding of do not kill by real chan monks.
    Liu, you are extremely one-dimensional with a one-track mind!
    "For some reason I'm in a good mood today. I haven't left the house yet, though. "

    "fa hui, you make buddhism sexy." -Zachsan

    "Friends don't let friends do Taekwondo." -Nancy Reagan

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    • #17
      U really like to correct me, dont u?

      Do u believe what u say?

      From my personal experience, sitting meditation has a different taste. I m aware that other activities are considered as meditation but in many buddhist tradition the importance of sitting meditation is also emphasized. And that what s Bodhidhamma did for a long time if i m correct.

      I remember a post where Fa corrected my tendancies on meditating concentring on non violence/compassion saying i should see my true nature. Arent u preaching there? How do u know what is more correct about meditation?

      U say meditating is experiencing things as they are. So when u eat eggs from caged chicken, should u know what u r doing? And would u do that if u were meditating on freedom?

      Peace and love

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      • #18
        Here is a video about what s meditation.

        Thanks Fa for the advices

        Peace and love

        [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSVQhhEt7tQ"]YouTube - Ven. Sujato - Samatha Vipassana[/ame]

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        • #19
          Originally posted by liutangsanzang View Post
          U really like to correct me, dont u?

          Do u believe what u say?

          From my personal experience, sitting meditation has a different taste. I m aware that other activities are considered as meditation but in many buddhist tradition the importance of sitting meditation is also emphasized. And that what s Bodhidhamma did for a long time if i m correct.

          I remember a post where Fa corrected my tendancies on meditating concentring on non violence/compassion saying i should see my true nature. Arent u preaching there? How do u know what is more correct about meditation?

          U say meditating is experiencing things as they are. So when u eat eggs from caged chicken, should u know what u r doing? And would u do that if u were meditating on freedom?

          Peace and love
          Yes, I am aware of such things. I am also aware that my family and I cannot afford to eat organic food. I am aware that thanks to the Govenator, my mother now makes less money than I -- a full-time college student. I am aware that despite your good intentions, you still tend to be a ideological, self-absorbed, inconsiderate jackass.
          "For some reason I'm in a good mood today. I haven't left the house yet, though. "

          "fa hui, you make buddhism sexy." -Zachsan

          "Friends don't let friends do Taekwondo." -Nancy Reagan

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          • #20
            Originally posted by liutangsanzang View Post
            Here is a video about what s meditation.

            Thanks Fa for the advices

            Peace and love

            YouTube - Ven. Sujato - Samatha Vipassana
            However methodical is understanding is, I agree with him.
            "For some reason I'm in a good mood today. I haven't left the house yet, though. "

            "fa hui, you make buddhism sexy." -Zachsan

            "Friends don't let friends do Taekwondo." -Nancy Reagan

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            • #21
              u should know, in shaolin gung fu if your intent isnt present in every moment, your actions are false or hollow, or void, whatever u wanna call it.

              it is said, so long as we are living the mind controls the body and both are inseperable from the spirit while living and breathing.

              while practicing an art like shaolin gung fu, you go through stages. but there is no pinnacle, there is no mastery or anything to achieve, there is no end to any of it.

              just as there is no enlightenment, there is no ultimate truth.

              the practice of shaolin gung fu is to practice a one pointed mind. through practice you achieve awareness of truth but its fleeting, u cant catch it or hold onto it because it changes and will continue to change. but whats important is to live in that state of existance because it is truly void of all things selfish, the only way to experience it, is like the crazy white monk said to let go, lolo

              thats my oppinion anyway.
              "did you ask me to consider dick with you??" blooming tianshi lotus

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              • #22
                Like Sakyamuni said to a brhaman, it is all yours: I am aware that despite your good intentions, you still tend to be a ideological, self-absorbed, inconsiderate jackass.

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                • #23
                  The japanese monk Taisen Deshimaru wrote:

                  " The practice of zazen (sitting meditation( is the secret of Zen. Zazen is difficult, i know. But practiced daily it is very useful for opening the conscience and developping intuitiion. Zazen does not only create a great energy, it is a position of awakening. While practicing, you must not try to reach anything. Without object,it is only concentrating on the position, the breathing and the attitude of the spirit."

                  Would u like to contradict that, shaolin brother Fa?

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                  • #24
                    ...you still tend to be a ideological, self-absorbed, inconsiderate jackass.
                    Well, he's not not a jackass...

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                    • #25
                      "While practicing, you must not try to reach anything. Without object,it is only concentrating on the position, the breathing and the attitude of the spirit."

                      this is level 1 in shaolin boxing, atleast how i was taught. u must not be very good.
                      "did you ask me to consider dick with you??" blooming tianshi lotus

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by liutangsanzang View Post
                        The japanese monk Taisen Deshimaru wrote:

                        " The practice of zazen (sitting meditation( is the secret of Zen. Zazen is difficult, i know. But practiced daily it is very useful for opening the conscience and developping intuitiion. Zazen does not only create a great energy, it is a position of awakening. While practicing, you must not try to reach anything. Without object,it is only concentrating on the position, the breathing and the attitude of the spirit."

                        Would u like to contradict that, shaolin brother Fa?
                        Nope, because he's right. However, you still fail to understand.
                        "For some reason I'm in a good mood today. I haven't left the house yet, though. "

                        "fa hui, you make buddhism sexy." -Zachsan

                        "Friends don't let friends do Taekwondo." -Nancy Reagan

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                        • #27
                          Who fails to understand? Dont i have buddha nature, tatahagarbha, in me? Does not the chicken also have buddha nature?

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                          • #28
                            here you're asserting two more claims as truth in saying chickens, as well as yourself, have "buddha nature."

                            care to prove it?
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                            • #29
                              I m asking questions. I took a shower and asked myself this questions.

                              Frankly i higly doubt the concept of buddhahood, but i m quite certain absolute non violence is possible. Also probable is a control over the mind that will not let you suffer, kind of nibbana. As for other aspects of budhahood i m more doubtful like remembering past lives. But why not?

                              So dear 1, this time i ve not claimed that we have buddha nature, at least conciously, but asked the question

                              About the buddha nature of the chicken, one aspect the question might take could be the following;
                              Does not the chicken express its will to be free and to live? Are u not being violent when u limit the freedom / buddha nature of a living being?

                              Just asking. Hope i can find an answer. If there is one...

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                              • #30
                                even buddhism says that not everyone is ready to be enlightened or even ready to understand compassion etc. some people are just born into a bad life.

                                do i think non violence is possible in this world, well i think its possible but probable..no its not probable at all, and we will never see a world without violence, not in this lifetime

                                but in the end all the bad stuff in this world is what makes the good stuff "good" if you didnt have to work hard or struggle or even have "good" things withheld from you then they wouldnt be worth anything. there are more then enough diamonds in this world to be sold as an arcade prize but they arent because people horde them and purposefully control the inflation so they keep there value.

                                there wouldnt be any reason to even evolve or do anything without conflict. conflict is good and bad but in the end wars are what have elevated human technology and knowledge the most, wars and fighting usually have something to do with some of the best stories told by any civilization. conflict is good and bad...
                                "did you ask me to consider dick with you??" blooming tianshi lotus

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