Palin Says Daughter, 17, Is Pregnant

[Maestro]

**** that plumber and his bullshit. 250k plus a year before tax isnt good enough for him that mother ****er. this is the shit that gets to me, the greed in america is ****ing insane.

unless that guy has to pay child support on like 10 kids i dont want to hear that mother ****er bitch about taxes. i wanna shoot him in his greedy ****in face.

what the **** do people think, oh i have to work 10-12 hours a day, suck my dick you little ho, what the **** who cares. i know plumbers, yeah they work hard, but they get PAID. the average american works their asses off for SHIT and usually more then 10-12 hours that isnt shit.

****in greedy mother ****er, i swear to god if shit goes crazy in america ill be the first mother ****er to start robbing these rich mother ****ers like him.

[arhat]

like software updates, it's always good to let a little time pass before you throw your bones in the stew pot, lmao.

Joe the "Plumber" needs to meet and hang out a little more with Joe Six-Pack, apparently, so they can get their stories a little straighter.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27221645/

[liutangsanzang]

Hussein and Joe are wrong when they say nobody likes to pay taxes. I do like to pay taxes to support public expenses. I find it hard to have buddhist, christian, humanist feelings and not to like to contribute to public welfare, specially for those who have less money.

Maestro, it seems u r a bit angry. U might have reasons to disapprove (but how can u believe subjective feelings) yet they should be expressed trough compassion and gentleness. Joe has his reasons and the best way you get to an agreement is trough dialogue. Also to rob him would break the buddhist precept of not taking what is not give, not good for a shaolin practicionner. If u want to raise his taxes, talk about it and make ur propositions elected.

Om mani pedme hung

[onesp1ng]

Joe the Plumber? More like Joe the Keating Family Operative | Crooks and Liars
Source: crooksandliars.com


I guess it's no wonder John McCain was so happy to use "Joe the Plumber" as a debate prop last night -- he's a partisan Republican who also happens to be a member of McCain's old friends, the Keating family.

From Martin Eisenstadt:

Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.

Now I guess we know why Joe is telling the press that Obama is a "socialist" and that the Obama tax plan "infuriated" him. After all, it would hit families like the Keatings and their minions the hardest.

Not to mention that Obama's economic-recovery plan would put the crimps on influence peddlers like McCain's old friends, the Keating Five.

But he sure made for a good one-day story.

[zachsan]

Don't forget Liu, (well, if you live in the U.S., which I don't think you do anyway) a lot more of your tax money is probably going to funding wars and lining already-rich guys' pockets than going to causes you would be likely to think of as "public welfare". That's the problem with taxes, the government takes your money and (for the most part) you don't have any say in what they do with it.

[onesp1ng]

that's a good point, zach. i often think this way too, because we really don't ever get a chance to see our "tax dollars at work." if we're not stuck in a traffic jam or getting arrested, when do we ever really take time to think over the benefits of taxation? like, when we start collecting social security?

perhaps if we were to go just go ahead and "socialize" healthcare -- i dont know -- maybe younger people would feel more of a sense of cooperation between themselves and the government. i mean, if i got free healthcare, i think i'd feel much differently of the american government and the notion of being taxed. that's just one of my hang-ups, though.

but "joe the plumber" is probably disillusioned too, and, no doubt, for similar reasons.. lol...

[onesp1ng]

YouTube - Obama: McCain Wants to Cut Medicare

ROANOKE, Va. – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Friday that Republican rival John McCain wants to cut $882 billion from Medicare over a decade to finance his health care plan and the result would be more costly drugs, diminished services and lower quality care for seniors.

"It's entirely consistent with Sen. McCain's record during his 26 years in Congress where, time and again, he's opposed Medicare," Obama said. "In fact, Sen. McCain has voted against protecting Medicare 40 times."

Campaign officials said the $882 billion estimate was drawn in part from a study by the Center for American Progress, a public policy organization stocked with prominent Democrats.

In response, McCain's campaign issued a statement saying Obama was "simply lying." The statement said the Republican planned to trim spending, but said his plans "do not cut a single benefit."

Ahead in the national polls, Obama made his charge as he campaigned in a traditionally Republican state where he has invested heavily in hopes of collecting 13 electoral votes. He is spending far more on television advertising in Virginia than McCain and has 50 offices statewide. The trip was his seventh here since wrapping up the Democratic nomination in June.

Still, in a state that once boasted the capital of the Confederacy, Obama's campaign indicated it understands the challenge involved in trying to elect the nation's first black president.

Democratic Sen. Jim Webb never mentioned race as he introduced Obama to the predominantly white crowd at the Roanoke Civic Center in the southwestern part of the state. But, he said, "Barack Obama's father was born in Kenya. Barack Obama's mother was born in Kansas by way of Kentucky," he said, adding that Obama would be the "14th president of the United States whose ancestry and whose family line goes back" in the region.

"You can trust him. I trust him," Webb added.

Obama's remarks on Medicare amounted to a new front in the campaign's health care wars, and were aimed at persuading older voters to abandon McCain.

McCain wants to provide tax credits to encourage Americans to purchase private health insurance. To pay for it, he has proposed requiring workers to pay income taxes on the health benefits they now receive tax-free from their employers.

McCain's campaign says additional funding will be required to cover the full cost of the program.

"It turns out, Sen. McCain would pay for part of his plan by making drastic cuts in Medicare — $882 billion worth, $882 billion in Medicare cuts to pay for an ill-conceived health care plan, even as Medicare already faces a looming shortfall," Obama said.

"It would mean a cut of more than 20 percent in Medicare benefits next year. If you count on Medicare, it would mean fewer places to get care, and less freedom to chose your own doctors," he added.

Obama said his own proposals for Medicare include "eliminating wasteful subsidies to big HMOs in Medicare, and making sure seniors can access home-based care, and letting Medicare negotiate with drug companies for better prices."

The reference to subsidies referred to the money the government pays to support private alternatives to traditional government-run Medicare, but attempts by some Democrats to eliminate them ran into bipartisan opposition in Congress over the past two years.

Recent studies show the government pays an estimated $112 for Medicare patients in private coverage for every $100 it spends on the traditional program, and that eliminating the difference could save more than $150 billion over a decade.

Critics say the private alternative is wasteful. Supporters argue it often provides benefits such as vision care that are unavailable in government-run Medicare.

Like Obama, numerous other Democrats favor allowing the agency that runs Medicare negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies, saying that would lead to cheaper prices for prescription medicines.

But the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office said last year the change was unlikely to result in lower prices unless the government decided to limit the drug choices available to seniors like the Veterans Administration does.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081017/ap_on_el_pr/obama

[onesp1ng]

[ame="http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=v5SWQJWm6Tg"]YouTube - Obama Roasts McCain at Al Smith Dinner[/ame]

[liutangsanzang]

I see ur point Z about where the taxes go. But what about public schools or public library? Is that federal or not?

U have quite a different system than europe, where, as one factor among others, socialism/marxism has led to more socialized policies. For instance in France, school until high school is free and university is like 300$ a year.

But things are changing in France, a lot of public companies and public services that worked quite well have been privatized. There was nationalisation of many banks and big companies in 1981, but when the right wing came back to power in 1986, they re-privatized. During 5 years the nationalized companies had done well.

[doc]

Onsp1ng, Medicare has been experiencing cuts since the Clinton years. In fact, that's when it really started. Reimbursements to health care providers and hospitals started taking some serious tumbles in the early to mid nineties. It leveled off with Bush to some degree.

[AlienT3kniX]

Palin Hypocracy

First let me say this. I want to MILF palin all nite long, second I wish it was me who knocked up her daughter.

Hypocrisy is so prevalent in religion and politics...
It is become the name of the game.
The sad part is it doesn't bother anyone anymore.

Except me.

As long as I get some mother daughter action, what the hell I vote for the selling off of AMERICA

WAKE UP PEOPLE

This election is a sham run by gangsters. DO NOT GIVE IN SO EASILY< DO SOME RESEARCH WAKE UP.
STOP WATCHING TV , MAKE SOME DECISIONS FOR YOURSELF!

[liutangsanzang]

I ve read that after Powell supported Obama, McCain reminded that Kissinger supported him.

I wonder what you guys think of it. For me Kissinger is the guy of napalm, killing vietnamese civilians, probably creating the coup in Chile 9/11/1973 and at least congratulating Pinochet. I wonder sometimes if americans have a sense of history or shame. I would try to choose my friends better.

What do u think?

[doc]

I think Obama has more "friends" that he should have chosen more carefully, than McCain, or anyone else that I know for that matter.

[zachsan]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5wHnzQx81g"]YouTube - Do We Know the Real McCain?[/ame]

[AlienT3kniX]

Kissinger is the dirtiest oldest snake in the bunch. Him and Rumsfeld have been slowly & insidiously whispering evil plans into our MISleaders ears. Kissinger is Bohemain Groove member and has had his hands in everything from smuggling generals around in illegal treasonous meeting in Vietnam to FAKING Apollo footage to selling America off to the Globalists!

If U don't know about his occult background. Look into the Alex Jones Documentary " Dark Secrets of Bohemain Groove"

It is a good starter video. It helps us confront the dark occultism that is backing our World MISleaders