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    ok time to come to the boiling point why is the shaolin abbot bad what has he done thats bad?

  • #2
    om a o benza guru pema siddhi hung

    mai i ask with respect if he acts against death penalti?

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    • #3
      it completely depends on perspective. many dont find him to be so bad. but for the other side of the story, i think much history has been covered on this website if you give it a search.

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      • #4
        Well, read this article from the IHT. It kind of puts things into perspective.

        How you think about Yongxin all depends upon what your motivations and ideals are.

        Chinese town asks Shaolin monks for tourism blessings
        By Andrew Jacobs
        Friday, January 2, 2009

        GUANDU, China: The cluster of temples at the heart of this dusty, traffic-clogged town are picturesque reminders of China's faded Buddhist past. On a recent day, dogs warmed themselves in the winter sun as a few toothless devotees bowed before smiling Buddhas. The only sounds were the occasional clanging of wind chimes and the splash of coins tossed into a mucky pond.

        While soothing to some, the tranquillity is galling to Guandu's city fathers, who recently spent $3 million to rebuild the four temples. They had become schools and warehouses during an earlier era, when the Communist Party sought to suppress nearly all religious activity, including that by Buddhists.

        To sweeten the lure for free-spending tourists, they tore down the jumble of ancient homes that surrounded the 1,000-year-old temples and built rows of antique-looking shops that sell bootleg DVDs, sneakers and stuffed Santas.

        Still no one came.

        "The temples have been money losers," grumbled Dou Weibao, the commissioner of ethnic and religious affairs in Guandu, which has long since been subsumed by the sprawl of Kunming, the capital of Yunnan Province.

        Dou found a savior 1,200 miles away, in the Song Mountains of central China, where the warrior monks of Shaolin have long since mastered the art of monastery marketing. Since the early 1990s, the chief abbot, Shi Yongxin, has turned Shaolin into a lucrative draw for kung fu aficionados and has transformed his lithe disciples into global emissaries for the temple's crowd-pleasing mix of Zen Buddhism and fly-kick combat.

        In November, the two parties struck a straightforward deal. In exchange for managing the Guandu temples for 30 years, the monks will keep all proceeds from the donation boxes and gift shops. In a news release announcing the arrangement, Shaolin said its primary goals were to carry out charitable activities, maintain the temples and "spread the faith."

        Dou, who described himself as an atheist, sees things somewhat differently. "We're going to use their fame to attract more business," he said on Wednesday as he and a batch of newly arrived monks exchanged pleasantries.

        Guandu officials say they will get no money from the deal, but they hope the Shaolin mystique will pull in the kind of crowds that have turned the flagship monastery, in Henan Province, into one of China's most popular tourist destinations. Dou said the government would save the $88,000 once spent on temple maintenance each year. They are also counting on the tax revenue from a vast new mall that is nearing completion next to the temple complex.

        The management deal has provoked howls among some Chinese, with many critics decrying the commercialization wrought by the Venerable Yongxin, who drives a Land Rover and has established Shaolin branches in Italy, Germany and Australia.

        "Shaolin Chain Store," read the headline of one recent posting written on Sina.com, a popular Web site. "There's nothing wrong with chasing profits and fame, but they can't use the name of Buddha."

        Such sentiments are hard to find in Guandu, where people seem to enjoy the sudden uptick in tourism. Last Wednesday, a squadron of incense vendors surged around visitors, and the Liu family noodle shop was doing a brisk business feeding the famished. "Before the monks came, the only people who came were old, and they didn't spend any money," said Cao Jinbu, the shop's owner.

        Wan Liqiong, who runs a trinket stand across from the temple gate, said she would probably have to switch some of her stock to include Shaolin-oriented souvenirs. "We've really been struggling here," she said. Then she offered up an expression that roughly translates to "if you burn incense, they will come."

        After reading about the Shaolin deal in his local newspaper, Ying Daojin made the eight-hour journey by bus just to catch a glimpse of the monks. A 30-year-old corn farmer from northeast Yunnan, Ying described himself as a nonbeliever but seemed willing to give religion a try. "I've heard Buddhism can open your mind," he said wide-eyed as a monk glided by. "Kung fu is also good for your health."

        According to his secretary, the Venerable Yongxin, the head monk based in Henan Province, does not give telephone interviews, but he encouraged a reporter to seek out Master Yanjiang, the abbot assigned to run the Guandu complex.

        Master Yanjiang, however, proved just as elusive and refused to discuss his plans for the temples.

        His monks were decidedly unapproachable.

        The young men waved away inquiries. When one bespectacled monk found himself the subject of a photographer's interest, he grabbed the camera and then offered a menacing martial arts pose when his demand to have the picture erased went unmet. Negotiations proved fruitless, and the pictures were deleted. The monk bowed, smiled and walked away.

        Others were busy helping to renovate the gift shop while another group of monks was handling the bequest of an adherent who had stopped by bearing gifts.

        A few days after their arrival, the monks taped a handwritten poster at the temple entrance advertising kung fu lessons. The cost: $44 for a month of instruction, nearly a full month's wage for some Chinese workers.

        The security guard at the front gate said the classes were selling well, with more than 100 people already signed up. He showed off the student roster, most of them children and teenagers. "Everyone loves the Shaolin monks," he said with a smile.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by doc View Post
          Well, read this article from the IHT. It kind of puts things into perspective.

          How you think about Yongxin all depends upon what your motivations and ideals are.

          Well said...

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          • #6
            Thanks Uwe. I do that every once in a great while...
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            • #7
              Oh, notice a few things from that article, such as the vehicle that he is now driving (or being driven in...)

              There was the armored Mercedes, the Cadillac, (uh, "multiples of"), and now, the Land Rover....
              Experienced Community organizer. Yeah, let's choose him to run the free world. It will be historic. What could possibly go wrong...

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              • #8
                after digging up some stuff gotta say why the **** would you want to put imprison one of the 4 surviving elders shi wan heng wheres the gratefulness and respect there ay and why would you want to inprison the innocent shi de yang he better have good reasons maybe for power and greed who knows... things like that is beyond forgiveness especially treating one of the surving masters like that

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                • #9
                  "Why" can be found in some of my journals in the site. The history of Yongxin's ascension is a fascinating one, and I've written about it over the years.

                  It's just not in one place...
                  Experienced Community organizer. Yeah, let's choose him to run the free world. It will be historic. What could possibly go wrong...

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