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    "did you ask me to consider dick with you??" blooming tianshi lotus

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      Well, let's just say I've had independent corroboration of this concept from two independent, distant, and knowledgeable sources; one who explained the bad consequences of the Clinton era, one of the Obama era. Seems to be a consistent policy of the Democrats.

      Courting Disaster



      As President George W. Bush's top speechwriter, Marc Thiessen was provided
      unique access to the CIA program used in interrogating top Al Qaeda
      terrorists, including the mastermind of the 9/11 attack, Khalid Sheikh
      Mohammad (KSM).

      Now, in his riveting new book, Courting Disaster, How the CIA Kept America
      Safe and How Barack Obama Is Inviting the Next Attack.

      (Regnery),



      Here is an excerpt from Courting Disaster:



      Just before dawn on March 1, 2003, two dozen heavily armed Pakistani
      tactical assault forces move in and surround a safe house in Rawalpindi. A
      few hours earlier they had received a text message from an informant inside
      the house. It read: "I am with KSM."

      Bursting in, they find the disheveled mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, Khalid
      Sheikh Mohammed, in his bedroom. He is taken into custody. In the safe
      house, they find a treasure trove of computers, documents, cell phones and
      other valuable "pocket litter."

      Once in custody, KSM is defiant. He refuses to answer questions, informing
      his captors that he will tell them everything when he gets to America and
      sees his lawyer. But KSM is not taken to America to see a lawyer. Instead
      he is taken to a secret CIA "black site" in an undisclosed location.

      Upon arrival, KSM finds himself in the complete control of Americans. He
      does not know where he is, how long he will be there, or what his fate will
      be.

      Despite his circumstances, KSM still refuses to talk. He spews contempt at
      his interrogators, telling them that Americans are weak, lack resilience,
      and are unable to do what is necessary to prevent the terrorists from
      succeeding in their goals. He has trained to resist interrogation. When
      he is asked for information about future attacks, he tells his questioners
      scornfully: "Soon, you will know."

      It becomes clear he will not reveal the information using traditional
      interrogation techniques. So he undergoes a series of "enhanced
      interrogation techniques" approved for use only on the most high-value
      detainees. The techniques include waterboarding.

      His resistance is described by one senior American official as "superhuman."
      Eventually, however, the techniques work, and KSM becomes cooperative-for
      reasons that will be described later in this book.

      He begins telling his CIA de-briefers about active al Qaeda plots to launch
      attacks against the United States and other Western targets. He holds
      classes for CIA officials, using a chalkboard to draw a picture of al
      Qaeda's operating structure, financing, communications, and logistics. He
      identifies al Qaeda travel routes and safe havens, and helps intelligence
      officers make sense of documents and computer records seized in terrorist
      raids. He identifies voices in intercepted telephone calls, and helps
      officials understand the meaning of coded terrorist communications. He
      provides information that helps our intelligence community capture other
      high-ranking terrorists,

      KSM's questioning, and that of other captured terrorists, produces more than
      6,000 intelligence reports, which are shared across the intelligence
      community, as well as with our allies across the world.

      In one of these reports, KSM describes in detail the revisions he made to
      his failed 1994-1995 plan known as the "Bojinka plot" to blow up a dozen
      airplanes carrying some 4,000 passengers over the Pacific Ocean.

      Years later, an observant CIA officer notices that the activities of a cell
      being followed by British authorities appear to match KSM's description of
      his plans for a Bojinka-style attack.

      In an operation that involves unprecedented intelligence cooperation between
      our countries, British officials proceed to unravel the plot. On the night
      of Aug.9, 2006 they launch a series of raids in a northeast London suburb
      that lead to the arrest of two dozen al Qaeda terrorist suspects. They find
      a USB thumb-drive in the pocket of one of the men with security details for
      Heathrow airport, and information on seven trans-Atlantic flights that were
      scheduled to take off within hours of each other:

      * United Airlines Flight 931 to San Francisco departing at 2:15
      p.m.;

      * Air Canada Flight 849 to Toronto departing at 3:00 p.m.;

      * Air Canada Flight 865 to Montreal departing at 3:15 p.m.;

      * United Airlines Flight 959 to Chicago departing at 3:40 p.m.;

      * United Airlines Flight 925 to Washington departing at 4:20 p.m.;

      * American Airlines Flight 131 to New York departing at 4:35 p.m;
      and

      * American Airlines Flight 91 to Chicago departing at 4:50 p.m.

      They seize bomb-making equipment and hydrogen peroxide to make liquid
      explosives. And they find the chilling martyrdom videos the suicide bombers
      had prepared.

      Today, if you asked an average person on the street what they know about the
      2006 airlines plot, most would not be able to tell you much. Few Americans
      are aware of the fact that al Qaeda had planned to mark the fifth
      anniversary of 9/11 with an attack of similar scope and magnitude.

      And still fewer realize that the terrorists' true intentions in this plot
      were uncovered thanks to critical information obtained through the
      interrogation of the man who conceived it: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

      This is only one of the many attacks stopped with the help of the CIA
      interrogation program established by the Bush Administration in the wake of
      the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

      Editor's Note: For other foiled terrorist plots, see page 9 of Courting
      Disaster.

      In addition to helping break up these specific terrorist cells and plots,
      CIA questioning provided our intelligence community with an unparalleled
      body of information about al Qaeda

      Until the program was temporarily suspended in 2006, intelligence
      officials say, well over half of the information our government had about
      al Qaeda-how it operates, how it moves money, how it communicates, how it
      recruits operatives, how it picks targets, how it plans and carries out
      attacks-came from the interrogation of terrorists in CIA custody.

      Former CIA Director George Tenet has declared: "I know that this program has
      saved lives. I know we've disrupted plots. I know this program alone is
      worth more than what the FBI, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the
      National Security Agency put together have been able to tell us."

      Former CIA Director Mike Hayden has said: "The facts of the case are that
      the use of these techniques against these terrorists made us safer. It
      really did work."

      Even Barack Obama's Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, has
      acknowledged: "High-value information came from interrogations in which
      those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qaeda
      organization that was attacking this country."

      Leon Panetta, Obama's CIA Director, has said: "Important information was
      gathered from these detainees. It provided information that was acted
      upon."

      And John Brennan, Obama's Homeland Security Advisor, when asked in an
      interview if enhanced-interrogation techniques were necessary to keep
      America safe, replied :"Would the U.S. be handicapped if the CIA was not,
      in fact, able to carry out these types of detention and debriefing
      activities? I would say yes."

      On Jan. 22, 2009, President Obama issued Executive Order 13491, closing the
      CIA program and directing that, henceforth, all interrogations by U.S
      personnel must follow the techniques contained in the Army Field Manual.

      The morning of the announcement, Mike Hayden was still in his post as CIA
      Director, He called White House Counsel Greg Craig and told him bluntly:
      "You didn't ask, but this is the CIA officially nonconcurring. The
      president went ahead anyway, overruling the objections of the agency.

      A few months later, on April 16, 2009, President Obama ordered the release
      of four Justice Department memos that described in detail the techniques
      used to interrogate KSM and other high-value terrorists. This time, not
      just Hayden (who was now retired) but five CIA directors -- including
      Obama's own director, Leon Panetta -- objected. George Tenet called to
      urge against the memos' release. So did Porter Goss. So did John Deutch.
      Hayden says: "You had CIA directors in a continuous unbroken stream to 1995
      calling saying, 'Don't do this.'"

      In addition to objections from the men who led the agency for a collective
      14 years, the President also heard objections from the agency's covert field
      operatives. A few weeks earlier, Panetta had arranged for the eight top
      officials of the Clandestine Service to meet with the President. It was
      highly unusual for these clandestine officers to visit the Oval Office, and
      they used the opportunity to warn the President that releasing the memos
      would put agency operatives at risk. The President reportedly listened
      respectfully-and then ignored their advice.

      With these actions, Barack Obama arguably did more damage to America's
      national security in his first 100 days of office than any President in
      American history.

      Experienced Community organizer. Yeah, let's choose him to run the free world. It will be historic. What could possibly go wrong...

      "You're just a jaded cynical mother****er...." Jeffpeg

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