Shi De Yang wushu guan

[bih]

Does anyone know anything about Shi De Yang’s wushu guan. How good is he with training foreigners. Perhaps Doc can give me some insider info since he is their man but other people with some knowledge can also contribute.
I have 4 years experience in kung fu and I was planning in staying there for one year (going there for a month to suss out the place is not an option). I want to learn only traditional kung fu, qi gong and Buddhism. All this being said my reason for going there is to get some new experience and to engage in some hard core kung fu training. The kung fu I was doing here was not bad but the sifu was more into money that teaching so I decided that it was time to end it. Reading the site I have noticed that the situation in shaolin is no different. That is why I am asking you guys, since you know the ropes better than me, given the current situation in shaolin would I be able to accomplish what I wanted in Shi De Yang’s school.

[WusengHoubeidui]

Hi bih,

I have just registered in hopes to find people like you. I was going to start a thread of my own to introduce the Master Shi Deyang's school. We are very much interested in bringing more foreign students to the school. If you are genuinely interested please contact me and I will assist your arrival, lodging and training!

Master Shi Deyang has much experience teaching foreign students. Each year he often spends time teaching in Europe. These few days Master Shi Deyang has been teaching a group that came to China from France.

Please have a look at our school's website at http://www.shaolindeyang.com/

If you have questions feel free to ask them here, in PM, or contact me directly at reserveteam(at)sohu(dot)com. There is also contact information on the website.

Thank you for your interest and I hope you will come train with us!

[bih]

It seems there are more interested people but we are still not getting any feedback from the more regular, more informed members. Can we get some wisdom here.

[WusengHoubeidui]

Seriously; how do you turn the music off?

Out of curiosity; does Shi De Yang have any foreign students who study mainly Buddhism through him?

Hi,

On the website you can right click the Shaolin Temple video and click 'play' which will stop it if it is playing.

Master Shi Deyang does have such students. The school courses are divided into disciplines of your choice. So it is up to you. There is Traditional Shaolin Wushu, Modern Wushu, Sanda, Qigong, and Chan Buddhism. You can study more than one at a time too.

Welcome to study all with us! Ask any questions!

http://www.shaolindeyang.com/

If you would like to train with us in Dengfeng, China, either individually or in a group contact me for assistance or use one of the e-mail addresses on the website. Thank you!

reserveteam(at)sohu(dot)com

[WusengHoubeidui]

It seems there are more interested people but we are still not getting any feedback from the more regular, more informed members. Can we get some wisdom here.

Hi bih:

To answer your original questions: Sure, Traditional Shaolin Wushu, Qigong, and Chan Buddhism will definitely be available. Extended periods are also possible. Information on the website: http://www.shaolindeyang.com

Each year Master Shi Deyang travels for some time teaching in Europe where he is well-known. So he has much experience teaching foreign students. Now we are welcoming more foreign students to our school in China!

He may be available to teach directly when he is in China. Otherwise classes are run by the coaches who are very competent personal disciples of Master Shi Deyang. They have trained for many years directly with him.

There is also video overview of the school in the Video / Library section of this site. Have a look.

Welcome any questions!

[bih]

Thanks for your timely reply doc (I am sure you were busy so it’s ok).

I do understand that DeYang is a busy guy and that most often I will be taught by his disciples (I was told, by his school, that all the coaches are DeYang’s actual disciples). I have no problem with this as, I am guessing, these guys have to be really good to be his disciples.
I was under the imprison that DeYang’s school is more traditionally but Doc seems to suggest otherwise. Since DeYang is a traditional guy I am sure his disciples are trained in traditional gung fu. On the other hand, if local students want to learn wushu so be it but if other request traditional forms only, I guess they will be though traditional forms (I was told that I can learn what I want and I don’t need to follow any strict curriculum. Maybe that’s what you had in mind when you said “You may not learn as much traditional gong fu as you think you might.”).
Still, I am interested in learning only traditional hand forms with proper application. The exact number of form I can learn is not relevant as I prefer quality over quantity. If I learn good gong fu with good understanding of applications I am not really interested in who teaches me as long as I learn it properly.

With this in mind, I want your honest opinion. Who would be a better match for me, DeYang or DeCheng?



PS. Try not to be prejudiced since DeCheng is you teacher but be brutally honest.

[LFJ]

Now, if you read the credits at the end of that video, you may see my name.

i saw it, doc. good for you!

Well, I don't know how this story ends. I have not been to China since the Discovery Channel shoot.

i was there just after. master deyang was in good spirits and he was training. seemed very strong to me. but at that time there were only a couple foreign students. as i've been hearing from him this year, there has been more foreign students. even coming in groups and he has been training them. i will be back there in a couple weeks until the first week in july when he leaves china again. i can report back on the current situation, but it sounds like there has been an improvement despite funding difficulties. but healthwise, he seems 100%.

His skills and knowlege are tremendous, though he does not have the encyclopedic knowlege of gong fu that Decheng does.

what makes you say that? both of them seem like walking encyclopedias to me. and to be transcriber of the ancient texts you'd have to be.

but one thing i noticed was that decheng does his forms differently than deding, who he initially trained with before discipleship under suyun. then he does xiaohongquan differently than suyun too. but deyang kept pretty consistent through the years. from the old documentary videos of him doing xiaoluohanquan, or suyun going over xiaohongquan with him. thats how he still does them today- exactly.

but decheng's is different. i havent seen him do forms more than one way, but its different from his teachers- which always confused me because you said he's a traditionalist and always kept the forms exactly as suyun had taught them to him. i can post videos of them to illustrate.

You may never get an opportunity like this again.

not "may". its definite.

[bih]

Very political answer Doc. I see what you are saying and to tell you the truth I had something similar in mind. The only problem is, if I stay in deyang’s school I cant spend time with decheng as I am not paying him and vice versa.

Ok I will leave this thread open for further discussion on deyang’s wushu guan from people who know about it or have trained there. I am sure more up to date information we get will help a lot of people.

[mad4dos]

Oh, my aching ears. How do you turn the music off : (

you can shut it up ...

right click on the video (near the top left hand side ...
and click on play to stop it!

mad4dos

[bih]

Interesting idea Doc but I don’t have that much money or contacts to jump from school to school plus the hassle with visa. I was thinking settling in one school and just focus on training without thinking where deyang and decheng are. This is the whole reason I am asking these questions. I want to know that I am making the right decision with deyang or decheng.

Doc perhaps you have more experience and connections dealing with the schools but I don’t. I also don’t have much time to shop around so I am trying to get information from knowledgeable people and on bases of that I will make my decision. Maybe you think this is not the best way to go about it but it is the only way I can do it.

[LFJ]

bih- as doc said you'll not go wrong training with either of them. they are both about as high as you'll get in this day and age. not more than a few of that generation left.

the difference between the two schools i think will not be the quality of training but of facility. thats the only difference i can see. decheng has a school specifically for foreigners with all the western comforts. real toilets, showers, water, etc.. deyang's place cannot accommodate foreign students like that as of yet. you'll be thrown in with the domestic chinese students.

so really, the choice is yours and it is a choice of comfort, not training. even when the two masters arent there, their coaches will be teaching. and while their knowledge is not as vast, their skills are also tops and they know the applications and will teach them to you.

whichever way you choose you will not go wrong. as doc suggested maybe go to one for a while. then later go to the other. you dont have to do it all in the same trip. you said you want to go for a year or something. do it, and then the next trip you take, do the same in the other school, if you want.

the choice really isnt going to make that big of a difference.

[George]

Hi Doc,

Thanks for sharing the great story.


Best wishes,

George
Shaolin Wahnam England

[bih]

I kind of had an idea of staying in the nearby hotel while training in deyang’s school. My main problem is food as I will not be able to eat at the school cafeteria but will have to go back to the hotel and eat which might be a waste of commuting time. Any ideas on that.

[onesp1ng]

bring your lunch...or eat nearby...

[LFJ]

I kind of had an idea of staying in the nearby hotel while training in deyang’s school. My main problem is food as I will not be able to eat at the school cafeteria but will have to go back to the hotel and eat which might be a waste of commuting time. Any ideas on that.

there is a hotel 10 mins walk from the school. 1 yuan on the bus will get you there in no time. there are also stores right across from the school or up the street. then there are restaurants everywhere. but why cant you eat in the school?

besides, if you're going there for a long time it will just end up costing you more to stay at a hotel. the price is the same whether you stay at the school or in a hotel. if you stay in a hotel though, you can still eat at the school. you just have to pay for it of course.