Hello my friends I am searcing for a Dit Da Jow recipe

[manydancinghorses]

I am beggining my study of Iron Palm and am wondering if anyone has a recipe for Dit Da Jow (preferably with herbs that can be easily accesed as it is over 200 miles to the nearest Chinese herbalist, if not a traditional recipe would still be greatly appreciated).

Many thanks

Manydancinghorses

[Asger]

This is what I get when searching on "dit da jow" on this forum:

Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.

The following words are either very common, too long, or too short and were not included in your search : dit, da, jow

That is rediculous.. Doc, you should really let your 4-legged administrator know about this issssue.

Anyway, there are some interesting recipes here

http://www.wingchun.org/txt/misc/jow.html

http://www.wingchun.org/txt/misc/jow2.html (solely american plants used in recipes)

on the side of that, I'm no specialist in Die Da Jiu.

[daodejing]

There's a thread in the forum with at least 2 full recipes in it. I forget where though.... try snooping through the tcm section.

If you're that far from an herbalist, you just want to buy the stuff online.

[Mike Evans]

while I can't vouch for the efficacy of their formulae (I make my own and have never used theirs), www.ditdajows.com has many different recipes depending on your exact needs.

[shaolinstylee]

There are also people who sell herbs together. Which you can "brew"...

[Mike Evans]

BTW, you should ask whomever is guiding you in your iron palm training what they recommend. Many teachers use different herbs to coincide with different phases of training.

[doc]

It's in the "Doc's Hospital" section of this Forum/Library; there's another thread in the ARCHIVE.

The search function will not look for words of less than four letters, to prevent it from losing its mind looking for "the", "and", and stuff like that.

[zachsan]

a lot of search engines have a function in which you can search for even small words if you include them in a phrase with quotation marks, as in "dit da jow" instead of dit da jow. it would then look for the whole intact phrase in posts instead of each word individually.

i'm just sayin.

[Uwe]

I am beggining my study of Iron Palm and am wondering if anyone has a recipe for Dit Da Jow (preferably with herbs that can be easily accesed as it is over 200 miles to the nearest Chinese herbalist, if not a traditional recipe would still be greatly appreciated).

Many thanks

Manydancinghorses

Searchtip: Instead of Searching for Dit da Jow, search for the term recipe. It will bring you right to the topics.

Uwe

[Uwe]

Shaolin Version of Iron Palm

Since this is a Shaolin Forum, and we are discussing the Iron palm once again, I would like to start a little discussion on the issue, but with a twist. I would like to introduce (for the ones who are not familiar with) another method which reaches the same results, but without ruining your hands accidentally. Just like I said in my posts from way back when, calluses are not the issue.

For the technique it is the one I am using myself and teach my students, because I did get away from the Iron palm as usually propagated.



HE PAN ZHANG


If somebody practices in squeezing various things with force, it is a good method to learn to twist even the hardest things. Later, even an iron chopstick can be knotted and pressed so that it will become very thin and its length will increase as much as twice. It is only doubtful if that chopstick will be still suitable for application.
The technique “Hand of the Golden Dragon”, sometimes called “Rubbing Palms”, is the most effective among all known methods of the pugilistic art which are anyhow connected to “rubbing” movements. Training in this technique is also aimed at strengthening outer power of the body and rearing the YANG force in it. The method of acquiring the technique “Rubbing Palms” is very and very simple. Take 30 bamboo chopsticks, best of all, square ones. Gather the sticks in one bundle and tie it up with a thin thread in several places. It is necessary to tie the sticks so that not to leave even a millimeter of space between them. The sticks must be pressed to each other so tightly that they may not move. Surely, it will be difficult for you at first to tie chopsticks so. If there is space left between them, keep inserting more sticks there until your bunch has the proper view.
Then you have to take the chopsticks with both hands, press them between the palms and rub the bunch to roll on each of your palms. It should be done with force. The left palm must also move in respect to the right one and turn the bunch with force. When you are exhausted, take a little rest. Then squeeze the bunch of sticks again in your palms and rub it with all your strength between the palms. This exercise should be done several times each day. Over time chopsticks will be pressed in a bunch ever tighter. At last, they will be so close to each other, that even a silk thread can not be thrust through them. After two years when you make a little progress in learning HE PAN ZHANG, the outer sticks if twisted will start to break and intertwine and the inner sticks to turn over, though the bunch is tightly fixed with threads. Now you may proceed to training with metal chopsticks.

The training method with metal chopsticks does not differ from that one with bamboo sticks. After two years when metal thumb-thick sticks are thinned to a thickness of small fingers and the length of the sticks increases as much as twice or more, it will mean that you have made every effort “during 1000 days” and it will be seen by naked eye. At that moment it will become clear that you have fully mastered the skill. It is beyond any doubts now that you will be able to cope with any thing just by stretching an arm and touching it. You will be able to break something instantly, crumple any iron or stone thing. Nothing can resist you strongly, not to mention men of flesh and blood.
A great wizard from Jiangnan, the inventor of this exercise, described it in his book. He related that when somebody acquires this method, wood will seem to him as soft as vegetables. You will be able to break a bamboo into small pieces, fray a steel rope with your fingers. The only thing you need to do is to stretch your arm and touch a gate, and the most strongest bolts will be opened. There are still a vast number of methods of application of that skill. Surely, that technique can be effectively used for repelling an enemy’s attack. They say even a steel pole can be ground off into a needle with a profound mastery in stock.

Translator's notes:
“Twisting”, “wrenching”, “pressing” etc. in this text imply the same movement, that is: palms are put together (as in a prayer) with a thing (a bunch of chopsticks) pressed between them, palms move back and forth in respect to each other, it is the movement when one rubs palms.
Due to superior wood quality, I am using skewers, and the number was changed from 30 to 38. With the first tie in use 35, and after the master tie is done, insert 3 more.

The description on how to tie it correctly is not provided here but rather in the 1934 Tinjan Edition of DIAN XUE. Don't ask ladies and gentleman, I am working on it, but Tiet Sin Kuen comes first.


PS: The attached image is from the above-mentioned one. Also, I personally achieve best results with doing this in Mabu.

[Asger]

a lot of search engines have a function in which you can search for even small words if you include them in a phrase with quotation marks, as in "dit da jow" instead of dit da jow. it would then look for the whole intact phrase in posts instead of each word individually.

i'm just sayin.

Yes, that's what I meant. Is it possible?

[doc]

That search won't work on this forum. Try searching for iron palm in the advanced search.

Another link for dit da jow is here: http://x.russbo.com/vb/showthread.ph...ight=iron+palm

[onesp1ng]

In terms of dit da jow, what are some additional applications?

For example, it 's used for injury, but let's say, well, I haven't trained in a couple years (true) and used to be as loose as a goose. Now, however, due to the lack of training, an old injury and a new injury on top of it, my neck tightens up. Here I am with many exercises to relax it, which will do the trick over time.

Question: may dit da jow be applied in this situation, where one would be hoping to make the stiff area warm, increase circulation, and thus develop mobility more quickly?

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[doc]

For example, it 's used for injury, but let's say, well, I haven't trained in a couple years (true) and used to be as loose as a goose. Now, however, due to the lack of training, an old injury and a new injury on top of it, my neck tightens up. Here I am with many exercises to relax it, which will do the trick over time.

Question: may dit da jow be applied in this situation, where one would be hoping to make the stiff area warm, increase circulation, and thus develop mobility more quickly?

Be very careful here. In the past, it was thought that relaxing skeletal muscles around joints was a good thing; in fact, it still is true that skeletal muscle spasm contributes to pain, especially in the neck and lumbar regions.

However, and it seems especially so with cervical problems, relaxing the muscles too much can lead to further problems. Neck muscle spasm seems to be a protective mechanism, to "keep things in line", so to speak, when there are cervical problems, especially cervical disc problems. Allowing the muscles to relax to much, as with the aid of medications, can lead to further movement of cervical discs, leading to neurological impairment and disorders.

Be careful with the neck. The body sometimes does what it does for a reason, that sometimes, we don't fully understand. Rest and time heal everything.

[zachsan]

well they heal a lot.