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This is is not an answer dear Doc but an another question !!!
I think now you become like a real chan master because you make an answer by an another question
so who know these men ?
And I also wanna asked this ?
what is so important ?, to become a shaolin monk (with the kung fu learning and the ascet life) or learning kung fu with the "same" passions than a monk but without the "monk life" engagement ?
Sometimes I don't understand why the ego are so big
If the "butcher" or "cooker" have also a very good kung fu and also a good meannig or "DAO DE" in chinese
do you think lot of people want also to become "butcher" or "cooker" ?
I don't know but I think the most interisting thing is not how is "you're looking or apparence" but how are you inside
We don't take a bottle of water for the bottle, but for the water.
So I think those people wan't to become a monk, most of them, is not for the budhism way but for the "image"
This is just a "personnal" thinking without bad thinking just thinking and understanding
Have a nice day for all of you and sorry for my bad english
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