Vegetarianism

[Iron Cross]

I think I'm getting a little tired of this nutbar hijacking every thread into a PETA related thread...

[liutangsanzang]

Arhat, i ll take a while to think about what u say. I am a little aware of the problem of insects and growing food. Yet i think that traditionally many vegetables grow without having to face insects.

Also what do u call kill? Do u kill a virus, do u kill a table?

Anyway thanks for the insight, i ll tell u more later.

Maestro, i went to Shaolin in 2oo1,i had a shaolin shifu in the himalaya who was my personal friend and i trained whith Shi Heng Jun in Paris.

I think i ve found quite a bit of wisdom and even buddhism in the people i ve met from Shaolin.

I wonder if u dont have antichinese feelings. Due to history and actual political situation and the fear of China growing, many westerners have anti chinese feelings.

If u see what Doc writes about chinese there is a lot of hard words.

I also had this feeling and found it in many westerners.

So i try to develop more love and understanding.

I also can understand that not to face perfect buddhists is annoying. I was shocked when i arrived in Shaolin to see a book where all the monks were said to be Arahats, saints. Shi Heng Jun has also been elected as an Arahat.

When u see that in buddhist countries like burma or thailand, very, very few people are said to be arahats, it is surprising to see so many in Shaolin.

Personally i doubt it and think it is like an advertisement.

Anyway there are still good things to find, dont be antichinese.

Om and peace and love

[doc]

Tomatoes suffer.

And they fight back.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6sN8ZoREo"]YouTube - Attack of the Killer Tomatoes - Pirated Video Episode 5[/ame]


Alex, you need to make films like this...

[arhat]

To say life is violence, plants do suffer, is a kind of jain view.

Personally i cannot see tomatoes expressing any suffering, wanting to run away or having a nervous system, contrary to most animals.

I dont know on what ground u say a tomato suffers. It seems a belief u hold as truth.

So i would tend to say that having a tomato as dinner is non violent and that it is possible to have a very non violent life.

I dont know though.

Peace and love

I didn't say anything about tomatoes suffering.

If you have ever had to grow something to eat, you might come to understand how fragile the process is, you need to resort to violence to defend what you are growing, either that or lose what you grow to the many unprincipled animals and bugs etc. that devour your food. You still can not escape the fact that life consumes life, and life requires violence in some form or other. You can take a cop out and preach that you abhor violence and vegetarianism is non violent- but that is only on the surface. Beneath the surface is violence.

Every step you take outside or even inside you kill. Just a difference in magnitude of scale.

By eating anything produced in our massive agribusiness models by which we provide our vegetables, breads, grains, etc. you contribute to the violence of the harvest, which slaughters plenty of field life, for example.