Magick

[zachsan]

recovering "supressed memories" while under hypnosis is mostly a process of "filling in the blanks" anyway. people just give it more weight because they make things up while in a trance-like state rather than making things up while they're awake. there's a reason this **** isn't usually admissible in court.

[Mike Evans]

I guess one could also propose that the spirits one sees are simply things that are observed that the miond can't comprehend and simply fills in the blanks with (in)appropriate info. This is common when using hypnosis with crime victims and victims of alien abduction to bring out details that have been supressed. IE under hypnosis two victims of an (alleged) abduction both described the alien exactly the same, except the wife described a face with a huge nose, and the husband described one without a nose at all. The Psychoanalyst involved chalked this up to a common phenomenon (which I can't recall the name of) and assumed that the "alien" probably didn't have a nose, and the wife's mind simply filled in the missing info (in the case a nose) because in her mind a face should have one. My Teacher used to describe the visions one may have in meditation as such...We are not necessarily speaking to ascended Masters, but perhaps simply discovering knowledge we already posessed, and because of the dream-like nature of some types of meditation, our minds put a fanciful spin on the episode to try to reconcile where it got the info from.

[daodejing]

And what if the spirits you invoke come not from outside but from inside? What if the demigods are aspects our unconscious minds/souls?

Some hindi traditions beleive that all the dieties of the universe reside in specific parts of the human body. For example, Sri Gonesha lives in your sacrum.

[Greenknight2]

What if the spirits are things around you, that people hallucinate to think are "spirits".

[LeiYunFat]

I went to a magiC show in Vegas once...it was....eh. Not too great. But they were free tickets-- we only had to sell 2 hours of our life for timeshare lectures.

[doc]

The only official dictionary definition I found for "magick" is the following:

An action or effort undertaken because of a personal need to effect change, especially as associated with Wicca or Wiccan beliefs.

But, I'll go with your understanding of it, because, living in Vegas, we see that word misused all the time.

[zachsan]

actually it's spelled 'magick' quite often. i bet you'd find it in a dictionary if you look. these days the spelling 'magick' seems to be used to distinguish it from parlor tricks.

GK, most magick is actually a part of some mystical tradition, and most mystical traditions are mostly made up of metaphysical ideas that can't be proven or disproven. no one, however, has proven that they have magical abilities.

[doc]

Maybe before invoking spirits, one might think about invoking a dictionary.

I just noticed the spelling of this thread, LOL

[Greenknight2]

I've been away for awhile, but I had an interesting thought about the subject of magic. Is it really exist? or is it an illusion in itself? to give one confidence.

[Nightstrike]

But In buddhism specifically?
Thank you for your reply.

[daodejing]

Yes and no fishboy. The invocation of spirits is common in the older shamanistic cultures which predated the spread of daoism and buddhism. Thus to some extent, beleifs melded, and PARTICULARLY in daoism, many of the old practices remained. Sometimes in chinese medicine, you need to get back to those shamanistic roots, and sometimes we do banish (and occasionally invoke) spirits in the clinic.

[arhat]

I'll pass along a message when I see Guanyin tonight. Coming over with Jesus to watch blue movies and drink mad dog...

[doc]

Where is Dan? Anyone talk to him lately?

[arhat]

ask sifu Dan.

[Nightstrike]

Just curious. is the invoking of spirits common in buddhism?
(Besides, spiritual projection, if that is really buddism in the first place, and contact spirit masters as they may call em.)