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  • #31
    That being said, if a surgeon who is supposed to perform a biopsy of your prostate, and decides to do a cholecystectomy while you're out, without first asking you whether you like your gallbladder where it is, sue his ass.

    Which brings me to a funny story. One of my teachers knew of a guy who, while in college, had convinced himself that the devil, Lucifer himself, was inhabiting his gallbladder. He went to several medical specialists, and asked them to perform a cholecystectomy (surgical removal of the gallbladder). They refused. One of them went so far as to argue it logically, saying that he couldn't perform that surgery because "devil in gallbladder" was not one of the indications for that surgery. He even got out a medical textbook and showed the patient a list of reasons for cholecystectomy, and "devil in gallbladder" was not on that list.

    The patient went home a bit disgruntled, and decided that if he wanted something done properly he would have to do it himself. So he did his homework. He read up on the procedure. He practiced on a cadaver in anatomy class. He procured himself the neccessary tools.

    His roommate called an ambulance when they found the poor fellow passed out in a pool of his own blood on the dormroom floor. When they got him into the hospital, the doctors were amazed by how far he had gotten. His initial incision was clean and well made, and he had just begun folding back the liver so he could see in the mirror to make the incisions to remove the gallbladder, when he suddenly and aptly enough passed out from the pain. Did I mention he was unable to get the proper local anesthesia?

    So the fixed up his wounds and sent him back home, and my teacher who was a nurse and saw this poor patient, well my teacher's major complaint was that "they should've at least had the decency to lie to the patient and tell him they finished the procedure for him."
    Show me a man who has forgotten words, so that I can have a word with him.

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    • #32
      lol, they should have had the decency to refer him to a psychiatrist.... "i've got a devil's haircut in my gallbladder..."

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      • #33
        Actually, I didn't know that about CA TCM practitioners.

        Oh, by the way, I always feel warm and fuzzy inside. It's just me.
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        • #34
          Must be that inner chi
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          • #35
            I visited a young child in the hospital. He a bunch of problems, but I was wondering perhaps a TCM, might be good as someone to give a second opinion.
            "If you want pure self-defense buy a can of mace." Grandmaster Villari (I think that is it).

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            • #36
              Re: well..

              Originally posted by Maestro
              , i dont see the two joining teams for awhile..
              That is just not true. There are several doctors throughtout the world practicing both concurrently and ending up with a complete system catering for each clientel . I'm not even in my first yr of formal medical study of either yet though ( for all my intention and pre - requs ) , so I'm just going to leave this one for Doc.

              cheers and look frwdr to hearing the discussions ensuing.

              BL

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              • #37
                There's a bunch of MD's who go to my school. In our last year we can do externships at western hospitals and clinics like the LA Free Clinic or the Arthur Ashe center at UCLA.

                Despite the rabid territoriality of western medicine and chiropractry, they are doing their best to move into our field as well.

                The two may not be "joining teams" but the lines are blurring.
                Show me a man who has forgotten words, so that I can have a word with him.

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                • #38
                  In China, you've got doctors from the TCM and western fields working side by side in their hospitals. Though, the TCM docs tend to work in clinics and their own hospitals; the western oriented ones, which is an ever growing field in China now (the move towards western medicine is a large one) tend to work in the more progressive hospitals, and the ones that the "higher ups" in society (govt and more wealthy) tend to go to.
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                  • #39
                    How much continuing training does one need to have to be a tcm? I have heard doctors have alot of training they need to go through.
                    "If you want pure self-defense buy a can of mace." Grandmaster Villari (I think that is it).

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