Ejaculation: Negative Effects on Internal Energy Work

[doc]

Ejaculation can get "redirected", a concept that we call "retrograde ejaculation", with the use of some medications, more specifically, the anti-depressants, such as Zoloft ("so soft") and Effexor ("side effexor..")

A happy cock is not necessarily a happy cock...

LOL

[doc]

Did I use that word, and not get slammed by Satan?

Wow. I must be special.

[daodejing]

Asger, at first, it seems like a contradiction, but a deeper understanding of acupuncture will show you that alot of the points can be used to do very different things depending on the patient.

[blooming tianshi lotus]

Ejaculation can get "redirected", a concept that we call "retrograde ejaculation", with the use of some medications, more specifically, the anti-depressants, such as Zoloft ("so soft") and Effexor ("side effexor..")

A happy cock is not necessarily a happy cock...

LOL

The other posts to me sound more like "qi" redirection but in the "zoloft" whateverthefck drug scenario, where does it go then then???

[shaolinstylee]

I thought it goes into the bladder.. maybe with the drugs you just don't produce the same...

[blooming tianshi lotus]

Did I use that word, and not get slammed by Satan?

Wow. I must be special.

Who's sending whom to hell and asking them to run the show???


Actually Rich , I think it's more a case of some ppl's belief you were actually the horney one himself .

Anyway, didn't you say the valve to the bladder closed during ejactulation?
So where then Doc does the gunk go then if not out?? Don't make me google for crimmenys sake!

[Steve]

Ok.. I had to look it up.... (cut and paste is a wonderful thing)

Retrograde Ejaculation

Ejaculation is the ejection of semen out of the urethra (passageway inside the penis) when a man has an orgasm. Under normal circumstances, ejaculation propels semen forward through a man's urethra and out the tip of his penis, rather than backwards into his bladder. This is because a tiny sphincter (circular muscle) at the entrance to the bladder shuts the opening to the bladder and prevents semen from entering.

In retrograde ejaculation, the tiny muscle that shuts the bladder does not function normally. This allows all or part of the semen to travel backward (retrograde) into the bladder at the time of ejaculation. When this happens, less semen comes out the tip of the penis.

Retrograde ejaculation has several possible causes, including:

· Damage from surgery to the muscles of the bladder, or to the nerves that control these muscles — This damage can occur as a complication of the following surgical procedures:

o Prostate surgery — Men who have had a transurethral prostatectomy (removal of prostate tissue through the urethra) or a prostatectomy (surgery to remove the entire prostate gland, either for cancer or benign enlargement) have a 40 percent to 90 percent chance of retrograde ejaculation after the procedure.

o Surgery on certain parts of the bladder

o Extensive pelvic surgery, especially to treat cancer of the prostate, testicles, colon or rectum

o Staging surgery for cancer in the pelvis or lower abdomen — This surgery removes lymph nodes in the pelvis and lower abdomen to help determine how far cancer has spread.

o Certain types of surgery on the discs and vertebrae of the lower spine



· Nerve damage caused by medical illness — This is especially common in men with multiple sclerosis or with long-term, poorly controlled diabetes.

· Side effects of medication — Certain medications can interfere with the function of nerves that control the muscles involved in ejaculation. They include:

o Psychiatric medications — amitriptyline (Elavil), amoxapine (Asendin), chlorpromazine (Thorazine), thioridazine (Mellaril)

o Drugs for treating prostate enlargement — tamsulosin (Flomax) or terazosin (Cardura)

o Certain drugs to treat high blood pressure — guanethidine (Ismelin), reserpine (Serpasil)

Although retrograde ejaculation does not interfere with a man's ability to have an erection or to achieve orgasm, it can cause infertility. Retrograde ejaculation is responsible for about 1 percent of all cases of male infertility in the United States.

Symptoms

Normally, a healthy adult male ejaculates one-half to one teaspoonful of semen during orgasm, but the amount varies widely. In men with retrograde ejaculation, the amount of semen is decreased dramatically or there is a dry climax (orgasm without semen).

Diagnosis

In most cases, the diagnosis will be made by a family doctor or by a urologist, a doctor who specializes in male reproductive disorders and urinary-tract problems. The doctor will begin by asking you questions about your medical history, previous surgery, sexual history and current medications. These questions will be followed by a thorough physical examination. The diagnosis usually can be confirmed if sperm are found in a urine sample after ejaculation.

Expected Duration

How long this problem lasts depends on the cause. If your retrograde ejaculation is a side effect of medication, the problem may go away when your doctor switches you to a different drug. On the other hand, if your retrograde ejaculation is caused by severe nerve or muscle damage, the condition may be permanent.

Prevention

Some urologists now are doing innovative, minimally invasive forms of prostate surgery that are less likely to cause retrograde ejaculation than the standard procedures. These newer procedures, such as transurethral needle ablation of the prostate (TUNA) and transurethral microwave thermotherapy (TUMT), are among several being evaluated by the U.S. National Institutes of Health for their success rate and side effects. Even if these procedures cause fewer cases of retrograde ejaculation, however, they may not be appropriate for all patients.

Treatment

Most men who have retrograde ejaculation do not need specific treatment. If the condition is a side effect of medication, your doctor may be able to switch you to a different drug that does not cause the problem. In other men, all that is needed is reassurance that retrograde ejaculation is not a serious medical problem and that it is not a sign of a serious condition such as cancer.

In some men, retrograde ejaculation requires treatment because it interferes with fertility. This treatment varies depending on the cause. If your retrograde ejaculation is a side effect of medication, your doctor probably will switch you to a drug that does not affect ejaculation. If your retrograde ejaculation appears to be related to a mild nerve or muscle problem involving the bladder, then your doctor will treat you with a drug — such as pseudoephedrine (sold under many brand names), or imipramine (Tofranil) — that improves muscle tone at the bladder entrance.

If your retrograde ejaculation is the result of severe damage to the nerves or muscles of your bladder, then it may not be possible to restore normal ejaculation. If this is the case, and you are hoping to father a child, a fertility specialist may be able to help. The fertility specialist may collect sperm from your urine and use washed sperm for an assisted-fertilization procedure. In cases of retrograde ejaculation, three of the most commonly used assisted-fertilization procedures are:

· Intrauterine insemination (using a small catheter to put washed sperm inside your partner's uterus at the time of ovulation)

· In-vitro fertilization (incubating eggs and sperm together in the laboratory to produce fertilization)

· Intracytoplasmic sperm injection (injecting a single sperm into your partner's egg to cause fertilization)

When To Call A Professional

Contact your doctor if you produce little or no semen when you ejaculate, especially if you are hoping to father a child.

Prognosis

When retrograde ejaculation is treated with medication, up to 40 percent of men experience normal ejaculation.

In men who do not respond to medication, fatherhood may still be possible with the help of assisted-fertilization procedures.

[Happeh]

Dear All:

I practice a simple qi gong exercise called Zhan Zhuang.
I would like to hear your thoughts on whether ejaculation
will negatively affect internal energy practice.


Thanks,
Butch

Yes. Ejaculation changes the.......configuration? Balance? Tone? of the body so that the practice of internal energy exercises will be affected.

Think of the paths within your body as streets. After you ejaculate, some of those street are closed down because of cave in. The road has collapsed making it impossible for a car to go thru that street. Ejaculation undermines the foundations supporting various pathways in the body which causes them to collapse or close up. Energy cannot flow properly thru these altered pathways.

If a person insists on training while their body is in the changed state following ejaculation, they train their body to be crooked. After ejaculation, the weak pathways will make your body stand and move crookedly. If a person practices in this physical state, they harden or exercise the crooked posture they are holding.

That is why you are supposed to wait after ejaculation. You need to wait for those pathways to regenerate themselves to their normal healthy state. After they do, then your body is back to it's normal erect and balanced posture, ready for exercise.

[LeiYunFat]

And how long is this wait period?

Studies show the relation to ejaculation and testerosterone to be suprising. Test levels stay fairly insignificant until about the 7th day, when test levels shoot up.

Any coorelation?

[doc]

And how long is this wait period?

LYF, concerned? How many times a day are you making your body crooked...

[Happeh]

And how long is this wait period?

Studies show the relation to ejaculation and testerosterone to be suprising. Test levels stay fairly insignificant until about the 7th day, when test levels shoot up.

Any coorelation?

The time period is like anything else related to living creatures. It varies.

It might take me 1 or 2 days to fully recover from sexual activity. Sometimes longer depending on exactly how bad I was. That is me. Maybe someone who was healthier and stronger than me could recover in hours.

I personally feel that focusing on chemicals etc is a waste of time. Can you take your knowledge of what scientists say about testosterone and apply it to your life? I can't. I have no way to know what my testosterone level is at any given time.

That means, for real world benefit, I need something that I can check myself to see if I am recovered from sexual activity. There are such things available.


The next time you have sex, do an experiment. Take physical stock of the condition of your body before you engage in sex. I mean your entire body. Don't just look at it. Feel it up to see what your normal muscle and body tone is all over your body. Then go have whatever sex you engage in. Afterwards, don't wait to long or your body will begin to recover, I want you to :

Examine the area underneath and behind your ears.

Examine your eyes carefully. Eyelids, Size of Eyesocket, appearance of eyes themselves, amount of eyeball visible.

Examine your testicles. This one should get your attention. How big are both of your testicles after sex? Where are your testicles after sex? Do they both hang level or is one higher or lower than the other?

Examine your armpit area. This includes the side of the chest and maybe a little to the front and rear of the side of the chest.

Examine your hips. The inguinal canal region especially. Pay attention to how your leg feels. Does it feel sturdy like a pole? Or does it feel like a flag flopping in the wind?

Test both your hearing and your vision. Does it seem like your vision is fuzzy? Does it seem harder to hear things?

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None of these things you hear about kung fu are mysterious. Because of the difference in time periods and cultures, the information is hard to get across.

It is shameful for some people to openly discuss sex. Some of my kung fu teachers would never discuss anything sexually. I can't even imagine bringing the subject up in their presence. Those kinds of people will tell you sex interferes with kung fu and then stop because they are shamed to go into detail.

Then you have the culture and time period differences. Kung fu was developed in ancient china where people spoke in flowery ways and thought in a philosophical manner. Every word they say and write has that kind of tone to it.

For a westerner brought up on computers and technology, that flowery philosophical information makes no sense at all. It seems foolish or downright stupid.

All anyone has to do is translate from old flowery chinese thought into current technological western thought and all that information would be as simple as the things you learned in high school.

That examination I described above is hard factual Western style thinking that will show you what the old flowery philosophical chinese are trying to tell you about the dangers of sex to the strength and health of a kung fu man.

[baiwanxi]

Damn... I'm not even sure where I wana go with this.... I'll just through some thoughts out there.

Way to go for that info you found on retrograde ejaculation Steve... Very informative.

So, I'm guessing, if you've already been practicing culivating the golden elixer and you just happen to have this disfunction then you'd be one lucky son of a bit** !!!

I must say though,,, after all this discussion on energy cultivation and bustin a nut I'm a little worried of where my headds gonna be next time I come down to it ! I'll be thinkin, "Do I bust or hold it in, do I picture this ever so desirable woman below me or Buddha, do I try to find that magic spot on my chode or do I just squeeze my cheeks hard as I can, do I try to concentrate on running the energy from my orgasm up my spine or just let go and convulse in relief"...

By that time I would have already done the dew and missed out on all the fun I had been workin so hard for.

Sorry... I'm just not that concerned with achieving enlightenment. At least not in this life time. I'll be happy with practicing strong, low stances, high kicks, good form, and getting my ass out of bed at 6 am to practice Tai Ji with my teacher. All that coupled with not blowing one right before I go practice and I think I'll be straight.

I love reading all the Chinese theology behind the whole being a man whore and living forever so, Please, don't allow me to put a dent in the topic !!! Hahaha

[baiwanxi]

Almost forgot !!!!!

I have my strongest orgasms when I'm on my knees and leaned back at a slight angle (hope that wasn't too much for some of you out there). Could this be because of this "jing" energy being released more effectively. I certainly feel like, durring these orgasms, I'm releasing more than just an orgasm, but qi as well. I ask for a second opinion because, unlike some of the other people here, I have never felt any feeling, physical or otherwise, in all my years of MA training and meditation that I could substantiate as "qi". Not that I don't belive in it. I know that it's there without seeing it just as I know that that I am, in fact, breating air when I take a breath. I even mastered the ability to have sticks up to an inch or so thick broke across my abdomen with the proper combination of breathing and flexing. (yes, I know some people belive you shouldn't flex. My way works for me and I don't want to open up that can of worm right now. I'm sure it's already been opened somewhere on here) But in all the sticks and punches I've hd trusted against my gut I've never felt the presence of qi. I know it's there because, how else could you explain youe abs receiving that kind of trama and not feeling any pain or suffering any bruising. But I've never "felt" it's presence.

So I would like to belive that that particular position increases the out of qi, and I theirfor, am on the right path to developing my manipulation of this "jing" energy. But if I'm really just mistaking the "jing" for a good orgasm, well then, I guess I'm just wasting my time, aren't I..........

I also have thoughts on the emotional content behind the sexual action and how that might effect the your qi / jing being clean or dirty. Also, how the emotional content could still exist with a one night stand, as opposed to a loved significant other, and theirfor still have clean qi with someone you don't really even know, as long as your mind and intentions are pure.

But I'll save that for another time. I think that'd be a good topic to bring up with Ms. Lotus... Eh, Eh,,, care to comment ???

[doc]

I have my strongest orgasms when I'm on my knees and leaned back at a slight angle

Again.

Only on russbo.com.

Time to bring this guy onto the russboteam...?

[Firbolg]

Is it the solar flares or maybe something in the water? All this talk of really esoteric stuff such as dating strippers, banging big breasted chinese prostitutes, masturbating 'for science', the optimal orgasmic angle and more.. great stuff - keep it coming (no pun intended!)