Dear LFJ,
i got your point but it seems that you don't understand me fully...sorry maybe my english is not enough.
The reason why i started the whole racist-theme, was that you asked for terms and information that are usual in some Buddhist monasteries but vary from culture to culture. The terms and questions for Ordination etc, are in itself contaminated by some existing Buddhist Monasteries, but different from Christianity, there is no standard for it. Zen itself refuses to be put in such standard concepts and categories. Therefor there are several Zen-Buddhist Monasteries in Japan, China and Korea, which have nothing to do with those questions.
The monastery in Spain is a completely new one and fully independent from any usual categories and structures. It has nothing to do with Shaolin, China, or any other Buddhist Directions. It is down to its philosophy an completely new approach to the Zen-Teachings. You can say it is a reformistic monastery, which tries to go back to the roots. Huang Aguilar studied this roots in many countries e.g. China, Japan, Korea etc over 25 years. He focussed on the cultural influence the countries had on Buddhism and on the way they contaminated the once pure teachings of Zen. Through that he tried to reveal what was once completely independent from any organisations, schemes or titles (like Bhikkhu, etc)
And through his studies, his excepional ability to learn and understand this knowledge and of course through the teachings of several masters and abbots (Such as Shi Su Xi, the formerly Abbot of Shaolin who passed away a few years ago) he created this new way, the monastery of ocean tranquility.
Therefor it doesn't make sense to ask for his ordination and the name of his temple. His Zen-Buddhist Master was Shi De Ren, the Main-Buddhist-Teacher in the Shaolin Temple at that time. He was the one who taught, guided and ordinated him. But to say that he comes from the Shaolin-Lineage fails to grasp the point, because this is only one part of the things that he studied are now taught in this new monastery. As it is visible he had several masters, not only in Shaolin and studied in many different countries, ways and styles in order to unite a new comprehensive knowledge to be taught at his monastery.
That is why i find it not neceserry to speak about such categories and structures that are predetermined by any culturally influenced way of Buddhism. Many things that he does or did, have never been done in Shaolin or any other Buddhist temples before. Others were practised but got lost over the years, expecially in the last 10 years. E.g. Nobody in Shaolin Practises the blistering iron exercise anymore, as he does it. Also the ceremonies in this temple differ from the average Buddhist-Ceremonies. As I said, it is a new approach and therefor question for titles and categories are redundant.
Anyways: I understand questions of that kind, since this is the normal procedure. But since this thread here deals with another topic, i would like to continue this conversation either in another thread or through the means of private messages. Feel free to contact me any time: sarrouh@cwt-berlin.de
i got your point but it seems that you don't understand me fully...sorry maybe my english is not enough.
The reason why i started the whole racist-theme, was that you asked for terms and information that are usual in some Buddhist monasteries but vary from culture to culture. The terms and questions for Ordination etc, are in itself contaminated by some existing Buddhist Monasteries, but different from Christianity, there is no standard for it. Zen itself refuses to be put in such standard concepts and categories. Therefor there are several Zen-Buddhist Monasteries in Japan, China and Korea, which have nothing to do with those questions.
The monastery in Spain is a completely new one and fully independent from any usual categories and structures. It has nothing to do with Shaolin, China, or any other Buddhist Directions. It is down to its philosophy an completely new approach to the Zen-Teachings. You can say it is a reformistic monastery, which tries to go back to the roots. Huang Aguilar studied this roots in many countries e.g. China, Japan, Korea etc over 25 years. He focussed on the cultural influence the countries had on Buddhism and on the way they contaminated the once pure teachings of Zen. Through that he tried to reveal what was once completely independent from any organisations, schemes or titles (like Bhikkhu, etc)
And through his studies, his excepional ability to learn and understand this knowledge and of course through the teachings of several masters and abbots (Such as Shi Su Xi, the formerly Abbot of Shaolin who passed away a few years ago) he created this new way, the monastery of ocean tranquility.
Therefor it doesn't make sense to ask for his ordination and the name of his temple. His Zen-Buddhist Master was Shi De Ren, the Main-Buddhist-Teacher in the Shaolin Temple at that time. He was the one who taught, guided and ordinated him. But to say that he comes from the Shaolin-Lineage fails to grasp the point, because this is only one part of the things that he studied are now taught in this new monastery. As it is visible he had several masters, not only in Shaolin and studied in many different countries, ways and styles in order to unite a new comprehensive knowledge to be taught at his monastery.
That is why i find it not neceserry to speak about such categories and structures that are predetermined by any culturally influenced way of Buddhism. Many things that he does or did, have never been done in Shaolin or any other Buddhist temples before. Others were practised but got lost over the years, expecially in the last 10 years. E.g. Nobody in Shaolin Practises the blistering iron exercise anymore, as he does it. Also the ceremonies in this temple differ from the average Buddhist-Ceremonies. As I said, it is a new approach and therefor question for titles and categories are redundant.
Anyways: I understand questions of that kind, since this is the normal procedure. But since this thread here deals with another topic, i would like to continue this conversation either in another thread or through the means of private messages. Feel free to contact me any time: sarrouh@cwt-berlin.de
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