Touchdown Shi De Cheng Wushu Guan!

[LFJ]

there are monastics from every buddhist tradition there, both students and professors. but there are also secular students and professors as well.

its an accredited college, just for buddhist studies. not necessarily for monastics. but the environment there is conducive to monastic life to accomodate monastics with all their vows and such. unlike your average college campus...

this is their page for degree programs in buddhist studies;

http://ibc.ac.th/en/programs

and a video introduction to the college;

http://ibc.ac.th/en/node/130

its an old video though, they now offer ma and phd programs. still a young college.

[doc]

Be careful down there LFJ. It's close, but not in, the "red zone". It is a Muslim area, and that is a Buddhist college...

[Maestro]

so is shaving your head mandatory

what do u study there? if it was me id be into the sanscrit and whatnot but im not a student im just a poor beggar

[LFJ]

btw lfj what are you maybe going to thailand for, you said education are u a student?

international buddhist college, in songkhla province.

http://ibc.ac.th/en/

[dogchow108]

what im saying is either u got it or you dont

I believe you said it best.

[Maestro]

omg..never mind just forget it lolo.

btw lfj what are you maybe going to thailand for, you said education are u a student?

[LFJ]

you're asking us to talk about a different topic, maestro.

all doc said was that some people lack traditional knowledge, mainly in regards to the way they do their forms, viz. moving as fast as possible yet effectively skipping over important techniques that over time get lost through them.

e.g. shi xinghong speeding up his forms, then teaching shi miaozhi (yongbin) in such a way that the traditional techniques fall through in the transmission. so what such people have now they are very good at, although they lack that traditional knowledge of the forms. make sense?

if you want to talk about martial virtues and whatnot we can do that, but thats a different topic.

[master splinter]

Martial virtue? You mean being humble? Well that takes actual knowledge, self understanding, and practice, as well as competition.

Which explains why you dont have any, maestra.

[Maestro]

i dont think its just for fighting, i am really just curious to any oppinion at all, so far all ive recieved as an answer came from a dictionary

like i said martial virtues etc are found in every martial art, so how is it there arent any oppinions at all except for what lfj found on a wiki concerning chinese martial arts espcially on a shaolin gung fu forum?

[onesp1ng]

yeah it kind of seems like you're begging the question a little.

[dogchow108]

I think that your confusion with the "traditional" item stems from your understanding of the point of Chinese martial arts. As long as you keep thinking its "just for fighting", you will remain in the dark (hint) about the traditional purpose.

[Maestro]

not imo..but thats not what im after, i guess its back to beating a dead horse.

[doc]

Maybe because there is no straight answer.

[Maestro]

ok lfj..dictionarys are wonderful but thats not exactly what im talking about.

there is a very big difference between a traditional chinese martial artist and what yong bin for example is doing in those videos.

what im asking is what do you understand of traditional chinese martial arts, not what does "tradition" mean

example; in hung kuen you can argue, its not shaolin gung fu. but when wong fei hung was asked what style he practiced he was regularly quoted as saying southern shaolin. then you can argue there was no southern temple bla bla, im not even trying to get into this, and im using the system i practice as an example of what not to talk about.

people are always going to argue, oppinions will always vary. what im talking about is you guys and how you percieve traditional knowledge as doc said.

yes systems and arts and their respective traditionas vary. but the core of the style does NOT change. the superficial aspects of the style and the way its expressed can be changed and this is the truth for all styles and systems, but what it really is doesnt change

so, again. what exactly do you guys think traditional skills and "knowledge" are...because obviously i cant get a straight answer

[LFJ]

what im saying is, what exactly do you people mean when you say "traditional" im curious because it doesnt seem to be adding up

tradition - a part of culture that is passed from person to person or generation to generation, possibly differing in detail from family to family, such as the way to celebrate holidays, or the way to do shaolin boxing sets and/or the meaning/application behind the movements.

i can quote lfj saying if you go to shaolin youll be dissapointed with the martial skills there, that its a temple...oh but now they are good at gung fu?

that would be a misquote. i've never said there are no people good at gongfu in shaolin. of course there are plenty.

but if you go there looking for traditional martial arts you'll be disappointed in what you find. why? because you'd be going about it the wrong way. thats not to say it doesnt exist.

so what does "good" at gung fu mean to you all then?

whatever you do, do it well.