A Shaolin Kungfu Instructor killed himself in Flushing, NY

[sanxin]

Listen to what Chinese forum say on website

Good question. But I don't know what role Yanju plays.
All I know is : Shi Yanju, real name, Zhang Xiaoju, from Dong Ping Xien, Liang Shan,Shan Do Prov, China. In 1993,he, with his wife, Bai Li Jung, daughters, and his parents went to Yanzhang Shifu's Shaolin Shuang Xie Wushu School. He asked Yanzhang for help. Yanzhang therefore let his families stay at his school for half year.
He came to USA with religious status. But apparently this is another fake one. Since Chinese, who knows him, knows he has wife, daughters.. Now he and Guolin work together. Guolin apply green card for him. They are just using each other. For my opinion, Guolin is the director of the whole thing. His temple is the land where could always attract people come over and use each other. Yanju is just one of those xx. His disciple, Hengzheng currently teaching in Guolin's temple, practicing "iron palm"..with monk robe..We hope he is not another vicitim..Here is one of the websites that Chinese people's forum reg. Hengshan's death and Shi Guolin. Apparently, Chinese people know a lot of more, and they are very angry at Guolin:

http://cn.bbs.yahoo.com/message/read...n_55022_9.html

Here is the translation:
- the World is Changing.. The world is changing, the monks all looking for US Dollars..

- Never trust your own people overseas, because whoever cheat you is your own people (Chinese). They can't cheat foreigners(American). All they can cheat is your own people from your own country.

- yangliwen01 said:
this society is changing so fast! Even monks became this way. Sad!

- zhouzhaoqin888:
Why he didn't look for Chinese Consulate Overseas?

-Shi Guolin is even smarter than real monks:
Shi Guolin got the essential method from Li Jong Wu to open his own land in New York. He deserves the outstanding expert of "Ho Hai Xuie'(Ho means thick face, Hai means dark, Xuie means method, the whole thing means "method of being shameless and dark mind"). For just years of immigrating to USA, Guolin got more thatn millions US Dollars. It is not easy for A person like him, without finishing his elementry school to develop in New York, USA. But then, he has this wonderful method, "Ho Hai", which makes him win his fame and money. He is not a real Shaolin monk, but he is more successful than a real Shaolin monk. He didn't receive monks' rules (So Jie), but his Shaolin temple is even more popular than any other temples (more people coming to pray). The way he live is totally just regular worldly life: wife, kids, cars, and houses. He has whatever the worldly people has, and he also has whatever the worldly people don't have. In day time, he wears a yellow monk robe, with a spiritual master look like, cheating all the religious believers, after his day job, he goes back to his house and spent time with his wife and kids. His committing suicide disciple is not a monk. He probably hopes Guolin to help him, and became his disciple. Guolin wants his disciple, Hengshan, to live like a monk with all the rules, without meats, without girlfriends, without salary.... Do you think Hengshan will be balanced? It needs a huge courage to jump out of that immoral life. Now he choose death to express his hatry of Shaolin Temple. Hengshan, you will need to learn "Ho Hai Method" in the next life. It is not too late to revenge after 20 years.

-"Tourist"quote the news from Dong San News from Taiwan:
(Also see: http://www.6park.com/news/messages/43569.html -Sanxin-)
Shaolin abbot, Shi Yong Xin said, Hengshan is a fake one, nothing to do with us..someone who tried to damage Shaolin's fame pertend one..

-fiabiao:
Let me talk about Shaolin Temple. Shi Guolin is a fake monk. Let me talk about Shi Yanju, his original name, Zhang Xiao Ju, Liangshan Xien, San Don Prov. In 1993, he with his wife, kids went
to Yanzhang's Wushu School to avoid his difficulty. Shi Yanzhang helps him a lot. Helping his daughter to set down the household registration. What can you say aboutsuch a shameless person. I am Yanzhang's student in 1993. My name is Dong, Qi Ching.

-I can't beleive American Buddhism is so dark. It can't be forgiven..

-You can't say that, monks need to eat..

-Are Buddhist monks supposed to have "Four Emptiness"?

-they are not real monk, all are fake ones. Nothing to do with monks..

- re: fiabiao
Very good comments. I dont know you but thank you for speaking up for the justice.
guote:"...Zhang Xiao Ju, Liangshan Xien, San Don Prov. In 1993, he with his wife, kids went to Yanzhang's Wushu School to avoid his difficulty. Shi Yanzhang helps him a lot.."

- the shameless one is not the one commtting suicide:
Let me tell you why he commit suicide. While he is not able to work under the back injury, they don't want to spend money to take him to a standard hospital. They found a "Yie" doctor to "Fang Xie" (means to take out blood). Finally, they saw they can't really use him. So they want to kick him back to China. Hengshan didn't have money and under the suffering of sickness, he continue to abuse his own.... Finally, he look for Guolin to get his passport back and salary. Guolin said, in USA, only people can work can get money. You can't work at all now. Still want money? -- you only have two choice: one is go back to China, the other is death!

- American people always emphasize on human rights. Now a monk employee in USA was pushed to death. Shaolin Temple in USA is against justice and faith. They are against human rights to kick out a monk from the temple.

-释恒善真名叫汪基美(在学校他给自己起的名字叫汪善松),他确实不是和尚,但是在他死前他一直过着真正出家 人的生活,他不吃荤腥,不近女色,他没受过戒,但是他比那些穿着袈裟的伪和尚更像一个出家人.可是我虽然信 佛，我不认为恒善的行为是正常的，因为他的信仰基础来源于一些伪和尚对他的洗脑。他们为了更多更好的剥削恒 善的劳动力，教育他什么清心寡欲之类的思想，目的只是为了控制他。
在恒善到美国的三年，他没有薪水，他所谓的和尚师傅一直给他灌输出家的理论，并非佛教正法，而是一些神神鬼 鬼的东西弄的恒善迷迷糊糊。而今年9月恒善的伤病越来越严重了，他们舍不得带他去看正经的大夫，而是带他去 一个野大夫那里给恒善放血，这种“放血”疗法我不知道是不是能治病，反正在恒善死前因为病痛的折磨他经常自 残身体，自己给自己放血！
(translation -sanxin-):
Shi Hengshan, real name, Jimei Wang (He named his own: Shansung Wang at school). He is not a real monk. But he live a real monk life before his death. He didn't receive monks' rules, but comparing with those fake monks with monk robes, he is more than a real monk. Although I am a Buddhist, I don't think his behavior is normal. Because his thinking came from the brain wash from fake monks. In order to abuse and slave Hengshan, they educate him so called "clean heart, no desire" stuffs. Their purpose is to control him.During those three years, he has no salary. His so called "Monk Master" pour him the thingking of being a monk. That is not a heathy Buddhism Way, but just about "Spirits, Ghosts Stuffs" confusing Hengshan. In September, Hengshan's injury got worse, they didn't want to spend money to see an official/certificated doctors, but took him to a non-certificated doctor to "take out his blood". This kind of "taking out blood" method, I don't know if it helped healing. But I know Hengshan often abused his own body and took out his own blood.

[Chicken]

keeping it real

Well, here I am again suffering from my Attention Deficit "ability" that when everyone else is caught up in the stress of a situation, I'm benefiting from the stress of the situation and am able to see through to the underlying pretty clearly.

Look, getting trapped in the blame game will not achieve anything... the situation is out of control. Hengshan is a victim of that (a situation out of control)... very few people can lead a situation this big back into control... is that Guolin / Yan Zhang's anyone else's fault? I don't think so - few people have the ability to see the wood through the trees and lead in a time like this. Both these individuals are good managers of people... they have manage organisation of hundreds of people in China (without lots of murders and suicides).

Guolin is out of his depth in the US. Hengshan invested too much in Guolin.

Look Guolin is not stupid, any suicide in amongst his charges would mean that it would bring his organisation into controversy... he would have realised this, aside from the fact that I truly believe that in his truly shaolin views he would not want any of his charges to experience suffering. So, knocking Hengshan off or trying to encourage a suicide is simply implausible!

Guolin was not looking for this to happen, he might be negligent of treating Hengshan inappropriately, but most would not have suicided in this situation, and therefore he can not be considered responsible for what Hengshan did.

Yes he could have prevent it by sending him back to China... but based on the last time he did this, it resulted in a murder, you can also appreciate that a) he took responsiblity for that outcome (which implies a conscience and buddhist philosophy) and b) he didn't see the suicide on the horizon!

Give him a break.

The warriors on this side of the pond are not wasting any time recriminating this... they know it was an irregular reaction to a situation THAT THEY HAVE ALL BEEN IN, in which none of them thought even once about suiciding.

I think dao / fate played a massive part here, and so did Hengshan's psychology.

Please, Sanxin, everyone.... keep it real! Stop looking for blame... see the dao!

Chicken

[sanxin]

Yea, enjoy my own life

Yea, enjoy my own life and give Guolin a break. But I am sorry, he will know better how to do that on his own.

I am just stating what was happening as I knew and I saw while I was with Hengshan, as well as his feelings. And I don't think I will have power to do anything to Guolin since it is too late to rescue Hengshan. I really don’t care. And I don’t think this forum will effect Guolin or whatever. It is really just the support from russbo community that I feel to recover a little bit more strength to continue facing the reality and martial arts world, and continue my training.

If for my own ego, I don't even have to worry about if there will be other victims from Guolin. Since my friend is gone anyway and I don't need to waste my time to post out the dark things happening in this community. They are not my business anyway. Who wants to get involved in this bad situation, and being against person as powerful as Guolin. Who dares to? Is anyone really standing up to speak up in the court for Hengshan? I don't think so. Who can suit Guolin as he is against laws of labor department, escaping the tax, against the human rights or whatever? No one. Who has money to hire a lawyer to do that? No one. Let evils goes on and on.. I really don't know any of my statement will work, and I don't really think so. And all of these are not even scratching Guolin's skin. People in China blame at Guolin. The abbot, Shi Yong Xin has pressure for his fame and for tourist income. But so what?

Don't worry about Guolin. He is just fine. He will still continue enjoying sitting on his gold-made castle. Hengshan's death is just one little incident. And for those who without education and knowledge doesn’t know how to save themselves to be against the evil surrounding. We could just say sorry. It's your fate and life. Sorry that your parents didn't offer you a nice opportunity and a tricky mind to defend yourself. If you die then that's your fate. If anything bad happen, sorry, that's the natural disaster. We can't avoid. People like Ophelia and Hamlet are not supposed to survive in the society.

Yea, give him a break. But did he give Hengshan a break even he is dead? Yanzhang didn’t expose this sad news to the press until two days later. He didn’t give him a chance? Guolin didn’t even apologize or anything. All he wants to do is to quickly “take care of Hengshan’s funeral” and bury him, shutting people ‘s mouth. Did he give Hengshan a break? He accused Hengshan’s death is not commtting suicide but by a kick, so we would have to check his body. Did he give him a break or a rest?
So he didn’t expect the death will happen? Hengshan ever burn his own hand, trying to commit suicide once. He had low blood sugar, and still took him to a non-licensed doctor to take out his blood. Are those not enough for the sign of death? Then what will be enough? I am stupid, but Guolin is not. Isn’t Yankai’s mental illness and kill his own wife not enough to warn Hengshan’s tragedy? Why he can’t just pay a little money to help this poor, hard-working disciple? Hengshan is a martial artist. He has back injury, and couldn’t work. It’s like a pianist, breaking his fingers, and can’t play the piano any more. All he feels is he is useless. He didn’t say he is in pain, he didn’t complain, or he didn't want your money It doesn’t mean he didn’t need it. He is just being too nice, too innocent. He doesn’t want to hurt anybody. But just because people is nice to you , doesn’t mean you can continue taking advantage of him and slave him, like Guolin did. And now he could just say I can swear Hengshan told me many times., ”Shifu, you are giving me money. But I don’t want it. I want to help you to establish a temple....”

I don't ask people to trust what I say about Guolin. But I just think this is my little duty to say them, at least for Hengshan. What is real? Your own judge. Do I really care if Guolin get punishment? Or Hengshan’s parents got money back? For me , everything is too late.

[Chicken]

Pointing the finger

Sanxin,

I'm with you, I think we are all with you... we are all listening.

I think it is totally right to look at what was going on around Hengshan's death and see what wasn't working in order that we can learn from the situation and try to ensure that nobody else suffers like Hengshan did.

You are investing a lot of energy in "outing" Guolin's part in this. If you point the finger to someone else (e.g. Guolin) we can all cease to take responsibility for what has happened... and if we fail to take responsibility for the part that we all played we cannot learn from the situation.

Whether we like it or not Guolin is in the position of authority. As is always the way, the powers that be have to protect the authority in their hedgemony. Quite amazingly, Yong Xin has come out and entered into the debate about Hengshan, identifying Hengshan was not a Temple warrior... he is distancing the Temple from all this controversy.

You say that these are dark things happening... but actually most of what is happening is just cross-cultural / fish on dry land stuff:

Cross-Cultural delusion 1:
Look I don't think that Guolin is in a "gold-made castle" or is making millions as the people in China are suggesting... everyone in China jealously presumes that every Chinese that goes to the West becomes a millionaire. Its not true. The western Martial Arts entrepreneurs know exactly how to make money in the business. Honestly, from what I've seen the Shaolin in the UK and the US are not making anything near serious money. They do not have the business, marketing and teaching acumen to engage western students over the long term as the Western Martial Arts entreprenurs do.

Look, speak to Doc about it, ask these guys really how much money they were making in Vegas or wherever... I'm telling you they were doing it for the love of gongfu not because it was making Doc et al any richer! (There are plenty of easier ways to make money than trying to make $$$$ around the Shaolin in this present climate!)

Cross-Cultural delusion 2.
Actually, this is more or less the same as the first one, that everyone comes to the west and prospers... look many of the people that come to the US and UK (and no doubt other countries) suffer from mental disorder. It is not known if those with a capacity for mental disorder are more likely to come, or that the change in the culture and environment is more likely to bring about mental disorder. But the statistics speak volumes, you are much more likely to have mental problems if you are not living in your "mother" environment.

Look the situation is competely crazy, Guolin was experimenting with trying to "keep things Shaolin" (like a monastry) in NY... clearly that didn't work, but does that make him wrong for trying? Especially when he was doing it partly to comply with what we all wanted to see, pious Shaolin Warriors, teaching us out of the goodness of their hearts and not for financial gain?

Cross-Cultural delusion 3.
Look the time I've been most unstable is on returning to the UK after living in China for two years. I went into a major suicidal depressive episode, that took me two years to come out of. Am I blaming anyone else for being in the position of wanting to kill someone (in this case myself)? No, because I truly think it was just me mourning my Chinese persona, and not liking my western one, and having to come to terms with it... its wasn't anyone's fault. Clearly if I was the type that projected my feelings onto someone else, I might have felt like killing someone (other than myself)... would that make it anyone else's fault other than my own?

Yes YangKai went back and killed his wife, how can we blame Guolin for that? How do we not know that he killed his wife because of having an extended sense of self, that he really wanted to suicide himself at the same time, but bottled it... that he did it all because of the cross-cultural shame that goes with going back to China having "failed to make it" in the West?

Cross-Cultural Delusion 4.
A serious medical one... I don't think it is safe for us to conclude that this blood-letting was malevolent... I must admit I was gob-smacked when I heard about the blood-letting. A practice that stopped somewhere back in the Middle Ages in most of the West I think. Chinese TCM practitioners (even in the West) are evidently still using it!!!!

Clearly, Guolin knew Hengshan was in serious physical and mental disorder otherwise they would not resort to this. He evidently consulted a respected TCM doctor in the US, and they prescribed blood-letting as a cure for Hengshan's disorder(s). Now I'm not saying that this was the "right" thing to do... but I'm quite sure that Guolin would have discussed this treatment back with the TCM specialists back in Song Shan and they would have agreed that it was the best treatment.

So actually all this proves is that Guolin was doing what he knew best according to Shaolin to try to help Hengshan. Its not right to look at this from our western persectives and presume that this was not Guolin acting in Hengshan's best interest.

Cross-Cultural delusion 5
Actually this isn't a cross cultural delusion but that old cherry about believing that we are anything but a species on this planet.

Sanxin, you say: [It's your fate and life. Sorry that your parents didn't offer you a nice opportunity and a tricky mind to defend yourself. If you die then that's your fate. If anything bad happen, sorry, that's the natural disaster. We can't avoid. People like Ophelia and Hamlet are not supposed to survive in the society.]

But those are facts... we are animals, we live in a hedgemony... only the fittest make it to the top of the pile and prosper.... most of the rest of us get by.... far too many at the bottom of the pile, suffer and do not survive.


Look we can't cherry pick here... they are Shaolin, they are trying to integrate into the west... yes, they are going to pick up some things of our life that we would rather they didn't but at core, I believe that Guolin et all are still thinking and behaving in Shaolin ways.

You can take the fish out of water, once its on dry land, it doesn't suddenly change into a land dwelling animal it still flaps and thrashes around like a fish. Guolin is a fish, he is going to continue to apply Shaolin solutions to problems, only they seem barbaric and completely inappropriate over here in the west. You can take the monk out of Shaolin but you can't take the Shaolin out of the monk.

Sanxin, this is another objective, non-blame laden way of looking at things, and I'm sharing it with you, because I want everyone to realise that instead of pointing the finger we all need to understand just how serious the situation is, and that the situation is only going to get better around the Shaolin in the west if we stop deconstructing them and blaming them for things that are outside of their control, and help them.

Compassion, understanding at this time is the only thing that is going to make this situation any better. Guolin and Yanzhang are both tremendously grieved by what has happened. They need our support and not our pointed fingers.

Chicken

[doc]

Chicken, very astute.

Remember, in the world of business, empires are occasionally built upon the blood of others.

[sanxin]

shine

Shine, send me the private message through russbo.com.
I can't access my own sanxin email account for some reasons. Really wired??? Does any computer expert know why?
really upsetting!

[onesp1ng]

sanxin, where's the press conference? did you already post a link to it?

[sanxin]

Guolin's Press Conference

Here is Guolin's Press Conference. See the link on youtube.com:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBoUJ...related&search=

It's in Chinese though. I will try to tanslate them. But maybe you will enjoy watching their action and roles without the words :

Coordinator: Liangmei Huang
Emotional: Guolin Shi
Aggressive: Yanju Shi
General Support: Jamel and other students..
Suspicious: Press..

Shine, I need you to contact me. I can't access my sanxin chinese email account, please send me a private message throug russbo or email to my new account.

[doc]

I'll embed it here to make it easier

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBoUJRy4y60[/media]

[onesp1ng]

can a printed version of this press conference be found anywhere?

[Chicken]

Hengxuan watched the youtube, and he's enlighten me a little to the circumstance of all this:

Jimei's background was very hard. His family apparantly would give the school (YanZhang) a pig, or come and do odd jobs, eg. mend the showers in lieu of tuition fees: things were that hard up in Jimei's family (YanZhang really does have a big heart for kids from poor backgrounds). Jimei didn't come to the school until 1998 so wasn't in the performance team that travelled internationally (Wheel of Life) and all over China. Hengxuan says that instead Jimei trained just about round the clock (which he and others looked down on)... which is probably indicative of a) Jimei's indebtedness to YanZhang, and b) how much his family were depending on him doing well at gongfu...

With this as a backdrop you can probably see why Jimei had burnt his bridges with Yanzhang... Yanzhang had been benevolent to him, and when Yanzhang came to rely on Jimei's support, Jimei hung onto Guolin's robes...

It doesn't make sense therefore that he didn't want wages...

Understanding this it sounds to me that going home ignomiously and peniless was simply not an option for Jimei.

Hengxuan has also suggested that all this talk about Guolin putting Jimei into competitions doesn't add up as he doesn't rate Jimei's Sanda (maybe how he got the injuries)?

Chicken

[sanxin]

Translation of Guolin's Press Conference Part 1

Guolin’s Press Conference: Part 1

Video Produced by Duowei News

Translated by Sanxin.
Notes: I translated it in a very literal and Chinese way.
Liang’s conversation was very fragmentary, so you will see lots of “......”, and not connected words.
The actions described may help matching translation when you watch the video.

Date: Nov 28, 2006
Place: 41st Ave, Flushing, Shaolin Temple
People behind the table: Yanju, Iran, Guolin, Liangmei Huang, Jamel Brown, and two others
Background Music: Buddhist Music (“Nan Mu A Mi To Fu”)

Liangmei Huang:
…. Can you turn off the light….(pause)….everyone…if you don’t have a seat, try to (noise, people is settling down)…Today, I, actually, myself is Huang, Liangmei. I am, what the newspaper said, “Hengshan’s God-sister”. (pause) I am, usually, not the person who is good at talking, but….I am a painter….(not clear) Today is very rushing. I appreciate everybody spend such a valuable time to come here…some of you still not giving me the business cards yet….very rushing…so I wasn’t able to introduce to you….If it’s convenient, …please leave your business cards to me…so I can.. report to everybody. …. I really don’t know every reporter. If it’s convenient… So please leave the cards to me….Very appreciate everyone concern Shaolin Temple’s issue….

Guolin: (Time:02:19)
Fu Fa (means religious supporters), students, and everyone, how are you?
Really unfortunately, on September…on October 24..(crying)….(pause)…, my disciple, Hengshan…(crying).. Today, I invited everyone,…. really appreciating everyone can participate in this conference…..(pause)… If you have any questions, you can ask (turning to introduce people behind the table) my disciples, the disciples of many years, my Buddhist & Kungfu brother, and the vice president of Buddhism Association. I believe that I’ve been da-jiao-dao (means get along, having relationship with) with so many reporters for so many years. I am sure you all know what kind of person I am. I am not like what the newspaper said “sang tien hai li” (literally means breach the way of heaven and against the rights). If I am that kind of person, I, right now, will take off my monk robe. (crying….)I will not be qualified to be a monk….( Pause)….Now, the incident happened. Nobody wants it. We should not discuss the responsibilities for this incident. We have to know how to take care of Hengshan’s funeral, (police car siren heard from outside as background noise) helping Hengshan’s families to come to America, to see their son in the final time. I, with Ms Huang, just went to see the councilman, just to discuss about this, to discuss about his families. Later on, we saw some reporters were waiting…now if you have any questions, you can.. start asking.

Reporter:
Guolin Fa Shi (Fa Shi is the title of Buddhist Monk), you said someone tried to “slander” Shaolin Temple. Is that person Shi Yanzhang?

Guolin:
I don’t need to mention it. Everybody can see it very clearly.

Liangmei Huang: (Time:05:21, Zooming out)
It was when I took him to see the doctor, he, by himself, told the doctor.
Because the doctor wants to ask him the cause of his injury, then he told the doctor, the injury was from 3 years ago, when he was building the house,..building the house in the countryside, he hurt his own waist. Then.. his back injury was when he came to Shaolin Temple, during his practicing kungfu..practicing fighting Kungfu, he didn’t defend himself well, so he got kicked from his Kungfu brother.

Reporter:
Since he had his waist and back injury, could he be an instructor when he came to New York Shaolin Temple?

Liangmei Huang: (Time: 05:54)
When he was here in the beginning, it wasn’t that serious.. in the beginning, a little bit….(starting speeding up the speech) His sickness can be asked very clearly from the doctor. It was not when he just got here.. If he had waist and back pain when he got here in the beginning, he, himself would not be able to teach Kungfu, and he would not be able to come. So, because when he just got here, he didn’t have the strong feeling about the pains. Later, it plus after he got hurt from kicking…plus sometimes, he didn’t take a good care of his tendon and bone. It’s like we sometimes didn’t take care of our own body. So sometimes the old injury will come back. Then when the pains came back, he told me. So then my Suifu said hurriedly… Shifu told me take him to the doctor. Because sometimes I was very busy. I had to work. Shifu was very worried.. very worried than anyone else… He said leave everything aside, just took him to the doctor first. If anything happened, Shaolin Temple pay the fine…(changed).have to take Hengshan to the doctor.. then, I feel Shifu was so rushing, then I have no option, I have to.... Because I am Shaolin disciple. I have responsibilities to help….then when Shifu called me, I have to find time during my busy schedule to take him to the doctor. After long time, Hengshan was very grateful to me, then he accepted me as his God-sister. Because I felt embarrassed… Shifu said this is Shaolin temple….his sincerity… then I accepted, without any ceremony. In mind, I accepted him as my brother. Because he was very grateful to me that I took him to the doctor… then….like some religious supporters who are here today are also the persons that Shifu told to take him to the doctor…because sometimes I didn’t have time. Many religious supporters are very busy, too. They all found the free time from very busy schedules to take him to the doctor…

Reporter: (Time:07:44)
Guolin Shifu, you went to see his body there yesterday.
Why did you say his death was not from committing suicide?

Guolin: (Time: 07:52)
Because yesterday we went….with Ms Huang….
Huang ( interrupted):That was just our guessing, not actually what Shifu said or….
Reporter A(interrupted): Can you please explain it….
Reporter B (interrupted): Excuse me, this is Ms Huang’s answer. Is that representing Shaolin Temple’s official answer? If not… then should we…asking an official answer….
Guolin:
(interrupted) Can you let me finish?....
(The above conversations almost happened simultaneously.)

Reporter:
About this “suspected committing suicide”, was it confirmed by official doctor?

Guolin: (Tiem:08:17)
Now let me describe what we saw the body.
For committing suicide from hanging, we all have general knowledge about it: the tongue supposed to be out. But when we saw the body, this was not at all..was not seen at all. Then if hanging himself, the neck should have a mark, and it should be very obvious, right? But it wasn’t clear.

Reporter:
Then is there any other injury on other places on body?

Guolin: (Time: 08:53)
Because we watched from outside of the glass. We only saw the head. The ear area was black.(pointing at the right side ear area)

Reporter: (Time:09:00)
We heard someone from your temple said this injury was kicked from a kind of kicking technique, a “bian tuai” (round house kick)

Guolin:(Time:09:07)
That..that was just their guessing. From the ear area ..I think it wasn’t a …..

Reporter:
Did the report from the official doctor come out?

Guolin: (Time: 09:18)
We now can’t guess what really happened, but I am sure not from hanging himself.

Reporter: (Interrupted)
Did the report from the doctor come out yet?

Reporter:
You think he certainly was not hanging himself.

Guolin: (Time:09:29)
Yes, I THINK(emphasized) he was not hanging himself.

Reporter:
Then did you mention to the doctor? Or…

Guolin:
Because we were in the hospital…

Reporter:
Did you mention to the Police Office?

Guolin: (Time:09:40)
We didn’t yet.(pause)
But we will.
Preporter:
Where was it?

Guolin:
The name ..in English..(turn to Ms Huang)

Liangmei Huang:
At… New York…in Queens General Hospital..in between 164th St and Grand Central.

Reproter:(Time:10:20)
I have two questions. First question, why do you think he was not committing suicide? Before that, did he have any unhappy matters with anybody in the Shaolin Temple? Second question, what do you think the purpose of the person who slander Shaolin Temple? Why does he want to slander Shaolin Temple?

Guolin: (Time:10:26)
Let’s not talk about the slander. …I think Hengshan in Shaolin Temple didn’t have any problems with anyone. About this question....you don’t need to ask me. You can just ask …(Liangmei Huang interrupted: ask people here)…maybe you don’t believe what I said…

(Not finished)

[doc]

Interesting. Guolin is sticking with this "not suicide" stuff??

He's going to open a whole new can of worms with the police. By making these comments, it's just going to prolong his own agony....

[sanxin]

one correction

Guolin: (Time:02:19)
Fu Fa (means religious supporters), students, and everyone, how are you?
Really unfortunately, on September....on November 24..(crying)…

[Chicken]

Doc, check when this press conference was given... it was before the police department ruled it was a suicide.

If you were a police officer investigating the claim that it was an unlawful killing made to look like a hanging suicide, you would start your investigation with all those close to the victim. In this case his "family" and "workplace" happen to be Guolin and The Overseas Temple, and the situation was in complete chaos. I think this is why Guolin was being very loose around the accusation; the finger of suspicion would fall on him as much as Yanzhang (which is what the second half of the conference is all about - Yan Ju trying to frame Yanzhang). So I'd be very surprised if they are still maintaining it is not a suicide.

It is easier to accept that the person you love was unlawfully killed, than accepting that they took their own life because they were suffering so much... and you did nothing / could do nothing to alleviate it. In fact people have a tendency to do this even when someone they love dies from natural causes, it protects us from the undetermined, unpredictable reality of death, to reach the conclusion that someone else was responsible. If you are a Buddhist Abbot in this position... supposed to have an interest in protecting those in your ministry from suffering, well hell, this must be a terrible position to be in.

Also, you know this Doc ~ hanging: if you choke, yes... eyes bulging, tongue out, very disturbing. If the fall breaks your neck clean, no... its very quick, with no obvious signs of choking (which would appear to be the case here... it was quick - Hengshan was not choking for 10 or more minutes), sometimes they even look peaceful.

To top all this, because of the mutiny going on between Guolin & Yan Zhang, Yan Zhang is said to have given the information that Hengshan had suicided accross to Guolin et al in a vengeful way...

I think with these insights you can clearly see why they would reach the premise that its not suicide, and why that premise is not a safe one.

Chicken