Shi Yan Ming????

[master-lu]

I still havent got an answer to my question. Does Yan ming some times offer this very special water to some of his female students?

[master-lu]

Hey plaese do I'm just as interested as you! Get back when you find something

[baiwanxi]

I had heard, durring the prosecution of Martial Artists in the Cultural Revolution and the entire Mao era many teachers fled to Taiwan and Korea. Infact my old grandmasters grandmaster was one of these who fled to Korea. (my old grandmaster is Korean)

Never have I heard about any of these masters residing in Shandong. You've perked my interest with this info, being that I live about three hours from Taishan !!!!!
Interesting. I'll have to start asking around...

[michabusch]

God dam it!!!!, are there any good kung fu schools out there anymore? It just seems that all the good teachers have become corrupt. Where have all those masters ive seen in the old kung fu movies gone

When I was in Wudang one teacher told me there is a mountain close to Taishan (Shandong province) where there are many old gongfu masters, a place not widely known.

Who knows..

[SongshanMonk]

What do you think?

[baiwanxi]

wow, so many shaolin masters post here......

Is that irony comming from someone who has a picture of David Carradine acting like a Shaolin monk as his avatar.

[master-lu]

Tell me, you who know my colegue Yan ming. Does he sometimes offer this special water to some of the female students?

[master-lu]

Yes sir! We're all here!

[SongshanMonk]

wow, so many shaolin masters post here......

[Hippo Foo]

but even more interesting is how some of the advanced forms from what i've seen are modernized traditional shaolin. or at least they all have that yanming style alteration to it, the way he made-over yiduan changquan or wubuquan for example. and you know he likes modern wushu.

just an observation of mine.

peace!

Iron Cross is right all the level 1 forms are simple Wushu forms that Yan Ming altered. Not really sure why he did that. From what I understand many years ago Yan Ming hired other masters to teach at USAST, one being a wushu coach. This coach pretty much taught everything while Yan Ming sat behind his desk and "ran the business" (drinking special water, hitting it with the ladies, interpret however you want). So all the wushu elements are from what I believe residue of the previous coach who actually knew things.

Yes it is sad that all the forms that are Shaolin traditional forms are taught in the advanced class. Xiao Hong and Da Hong are both forms beginning elementary children do in China which makes no sense why people need to wait so long. 65% of the students who actually finish the forms up to the basic Shaolin forms fail the $50 dollar test and have to do the basic wushu forms for another 6 months till the next test. Some students fail 2 or 3 times. Imagine waiting 2 years to learn one shaolin form and paying $200 dollars for nothing.

My belief why Yan Ming seems to continually post-pone learning new forms is either one he truly believes, "you are not ready" or he doesn't have enough of a curriculum and most people can finish learning all he can teach in 2 years. I knew a few people who have been there for 7 years and just recently touched the staff. And I had other friends who had been there for 3 years and never learnt a single authentic Shaolin form. He ended up quiting and moving to learn real wushu.


Also to note, Yan Ming always does the same stuff in every video or demo. You always see him using the Pudao, doing the one chen taicihi form, doing the basic wushu forms, or just kick and punching really fast. It is my belief that Yan Ming has forgotten a lot of the forms and has only retained a few essential ones for him to run his school. There are so many weapons in the temple that no one can use and I highly doubt Yan Ming can use them either. If you go to a MA school and they have weapons on the walls that no one can use, definitely think twice about signing up.

[Iron Cross]

Oh yeah thats the video... I forgot how high her stances and weak her kicks were... I remember she had bad knees though... but thats also a factor of improper training at that place.. doing a tornado kick and having all your weight fall onto one knee i swear someone is gonna blow their knee out bad one day... Also the way drills are done more than they should be in this tense mode.. puts alot of strain on the joints and does more harm than good..

Yeah theres another thing mentioned... all the talk of "authentic" shaolin kung fu ebing taught.. you dont even get to the basic shaolin forms until level 2 and those are considered to be advanced forms by the temple folk... you will only learn 3 basic forms there and be doing them for the rest of your time there... any luck you might pick up 1 or 2 more at a seminar you pay $100-$200 for.... I was uber fortunate because i was on demo team we learned a few other sets not taught to everyone else.. guess it made my time there slightly more tolerable...

So, for most of the time your there all you are learning are modified wushu sets.. the first two sets are indeed modified wubu quan and yiduan changquan and mentioned... then you learn what they call erluquan, which in itself makes little sense... this is nother modified changquan set... though yan mings version takes out all the jumps... no tornado no east west kick.. basically kills the flair... I never understodd why he even did that... i mean if new students can do that stuff pick a different form there must be 50,000 of them.... he himself claims to know like 200 why bother changing one if you know a suitable replacement...

Also... I was told dozens of time the reason he did that was because no one could do xiao hong quan correctly and wanted to train their stamina and basics before learning REAL shaolin forms... except xiao hong quan IS te basic shaolin form... its easy as crap... 90% gongbu and dingbu.... when I finally got to this form i thought to myself this is so easy why didnt we start learning this??

[baiwanxi]

I took a look at both of the clips and I gotta say,,,, I'm not so impressed ! I had always thought Yanming was better than that. Maybe he is, by himself, but his teaching must not be phenominal. The two person routines with that girl were just sub-par, and and the girl, by herself, wasn't all that impressive at all. Not to mention any of the choreographing. It was all super simple. I'm not trying to sound like a hater, just wasn't as impressed as I thought I would be.

If you don't know a thing about wushu then maybe it would look great, But,,,,,

If you hop on Youtube and check out any of the Chinese Shaolin performances, or see them for yourself, you can compare and see the difference easily. Speed, skill, ability of complex movements and of course the choreographing is worlds apart.

Anyway. He is pretty damn ripped up for a Chinese guy though ! I"ll give him that. He must have one hell of a diet plan !

[LFJ]

here's one of the performances from the austrian temple at rza's concert. not a very well structured performance though. kinda sleeping style.
http://www.shaolintempel.at/videos/s...tempel&rza.mov



i find it interesting.... though i probably shouldnt start it.

we've all heard the longwinded arguments about the basic drills and forms at usast "not" being traditionalized modern wushu..

but even more interesting is how some of the advanced forms from what i've seen are modernized traditional shaolin. or at least they all have that yanming style alteration to it, the way he made-over yiduan changquan or wubuquan for example. and you know he likes modern wushu.

just an observation of mine.

peace!

[Hippo Foo]

Hahahaha... Iron Cross are you talking about this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbv7ro3BHMM

Oh man.. I love this one... "form is emptiness.. emptiness is form..." teehee.. I also love the part where when the girl falls on the carpet there is dust coming up in the air and then fog rises. That's one really DUSTY carpet.... So dusty it started condensation....

The comments are equally great... about the great editing... I don't think saturation filter and speed filter are considered great editing... but who cares about that when it breaks all the other codes and conventions of film....

[master-lu]

Iron cross you are right i'll ceep on calling myself monk as long as Yan ming does. As long as there is a Yan ming with followers there will be Yan LU teaching girls the power of qi. By the way i havent seen anything from any of the believers whats going on with them?