Shi De Cheng: wuseng, su jia di tz, real, fake....

[dave l.]

WHERE YOU BEEN? Hey dave l. it appears that you have not posted on our various forums in several weeks. OK, time to show us the love

Ok I will write something down here

I had some problems with people here becasue I stated some time ago (1-2 years) that decheng was married and had a son....At the time he married, there was a big party in the wushu guan...No one believed me...maybe your opinion changed a bit now ? Or Am I still a jerk by saying this ?

[onesp1ng]

I forget his username at the moment, but there was someone on the board that teaches there. He used to post but stopped a while ago. Maybe doc or someone remembers?

I did in both China and Taiwan, which basically allowed me to put myself through school and live well for 3 and a half years. BL did is China as well. Not sure what the situation is in Japan, though getting jobs (face to face) is probably pretty easy, even if their teaching standards are higher than other countries in the area.

If you need info on teaching in China or Taiwan, just let me know.

[Maestro]

well, i do need info, i mean..i dont speak any foreign language..ive been to china and the stareing didnt really get to me, i was to hyped about the vast quantitys of bangin food in HK and the hard training to be insecure of a million people stareing at me like im a celeb or something

i really only have a high school diploma..never been to college although my english is good and my brother was an english major in college...

i dunno what do they expect? is it possible to get hired in china(HK would be the illest location to get hired at)?

ive talked to some people, some say u dun need to know the language and standards are low others say just go there and look for a job lolo, id rather have a job set up and i dunno...

id be down to do it though, espcially if i could get back to hong kong that way

[onesp1ng]

Typically schools ask for proof of a BA or higher. However, an alternative to having a degree is to go online and take a TESL course, so you can get certified. It may cost a couple hundred dollars and take one or two months to finish. Many schools accept it, but not all. Of course some people will forge a degree since they're often difficult for Chinese to authenticate. I feel it's disingenuous, but what do I know? If you don;t have either - a degree or certificate - it's still possible to get jobs, you'd just have to do it in person. I believe you'd also be working illegally if you took a job under this pretense, yet that's not to say there aren't a lot of people doing it.. You'd probably have an illegal visa too, simply because it'd be based off of false claims. But the truth is they only deport you for it and people aren't often caught. Ummm, what am I saying... Well, other than that, you don't need to speak the language. In fact, the schools I worked for appreciated new teachers that couldn't speak the language because students were forced to use English, unless the students were really young. Actually I had problems after a while because my students were too used to speaking with me in Chinese. They'd actually beg me to speak with them in Chinese...I did what they wanted...this was bad... Anyhow, it's a great learning experience...in the long run the stares will probably be the least of your worries.

So....I'd say get a certificate and go... If you have a certificate, with a little patience....I don't see why you couldn't get a job in HK, though their standard is probably a bit higher. Let me know and I can give you an idea of the pay you should be getting, quality of living you deserve, etc.

[doc]

So I found the thread aand I read the code which said sweet little to nothing..

That's not clear at all and it does not give any more than a reeally basic outline of concepts to expand on.
From what I can tell, most of what we did get there is designed to do little more than confuse the hell out of anyone reading it enough so they'll feel like they actually got some information.
If you don't want to share then I don't really want to get into it either.
Thx.

That is the monk book. THE monk book. Wuseng were given that years ago.

In it, are verses in older, traditional Mandarin, which took quite a long time to get translated. Not everyone in China understands that old grammar. It was a project, finding someone to translate that.

Sorry if it doesn't meet your exacting standards. I'd love to see you have a conversation with a Hasidic jew about the Torah.

[doc]

WHERE YOU BEEN? Hey dave l. it appears that you have not posted on our various forums in several weeks. OK, time to show us the love

Ok I will write something down here

I had some problems with people here becasue I stated some time ago (1-2 years) that decheng was married and had a son....At the time he married, there was a big party in the wushu guan...No one believed me...maybe your opinion changed a bit now ? Or Am I still a jerk by saying this ?

HI DAVE!

There's only one person here that I presume to ba a "jerk", and I've already responded to her. I don't think that you should consider yourself as having "problems" here.

As for Decheng's "marriage", I've heard this before. About nine years ago, I was informed by email, from some woman in Austria, that he was married. (it's somewhere in the site). At the time, I had asked him about it, and he had explained to me that he had "married" in his passport, which allowed him to travel more freely out of China, to Europe. This was long before he had gotten his multiple entry visa to France.

I really don't know about the veracity of the claim, but, I won't go so far as to outright deny it. After what I've learned about many of these other guys, and after what I've been through with Xingwei, nothing would surprise me.

Feel free to expound upon this.

[onesp1ng]

Apparently everyone has a problem at russbo... should start a complaint box..lol

[blooming tianshi lotus]

Typically schools ask for proof of a BA or higher. However, an alternative to having a degree is to go online and take a TESL course, so you can get certified. It may cost a couple hundred dollars and take one or two months to finish. Many schools accept it, but not all. Of course some people will forge a degree since they're often difficult for Chinese to authenticate. I feel it's disingenuous, but what do I know? If you don;t have either - a degree or certificate - it's still possible to get jobs, you'd just have to do it in person. I believe you'd also be working illegally if you took a job under this pretense, yet that's not to say there aren't a lot of people doing it.. You'd probably have an illegal visa too, simply because it'd be based off of false claims. But the truth is they only deport you for it and people aren't often caught. Ummm, what am I saying... Well, other than that, you don't need to speak the language. In fact, the schools I worked for appreciated new teachers that couldn't speak the language because students were forced to use English, unless the students were really young. Actually I had problems after a while because my students were too used to speaking with me in Chinese. They'd actually beg me to speak with them in Chinese...I did what they wanted...this was bad... Anyhow, it's a great learning experience...in the long run the stares will probably be the least of your worries.

So....I'd say get a certificate and go... If you have a certificate, with a little patience....I don't see why you couldn't get a job in HK, though their standard is probably a bit higher. Let me know and I can give you an idea of the pay you should be getting, quality of living you deserve, etc.

The thing with the BA status is mainly for visa applications. To get a work visa ( and Hong Kong / Japan and Sth Korea are the worst 4 it) , unless you have either a dodgy school or someone there who can take you on a business visa and d*ck around it that way, you really do need to be eductated...or stupid enough to risk it otherwise.

Doc :- Lol . you would ... christ .. i wonder who'd cry first?? ... those things can get a little tricky ... particularly since I got know idea 'bout neither :/.....
and now you think I'm a jerk ?? ..mmhmm.

[onesp1ng]

Doc, are you referring to classical chinese?

[doc]

I'm not sure what mode the Mandarin is in that monk vows book. Current Chinese language instruction is not enough to be able to translate that. Older Chinese, who have learned traditional Mandarin, also cannot translate it, as the grammar is different. I've been told by a few older (70's plus) Chinese, that the grammar in that book goes back to the 1900's.

I don't know what you call it.

[onesp1ng]

It's considered classical Chinese. Oh...the wonders..!!

[dave l.]

Ow You also know the Autrian girl Wel, she know a lot of 'shaolin' stuff and she was right about decheng. But i don't want to go more inside this shit because I don't care about that at all....anymore. If you're looking for a KF teacher and You found one that's doing his job good (for you) that You have what You want. You don't need to worry about his life...It's better to take care about your own shit

[blooming tianshi lotus]

Since I've probably been there most revently, I''m just going to go ahead and post this but if any of u do opt for buying a degree over the net for the purpose of a visa entry, ( not that we avocate things like that) u might wanna bare in mind that the govt of these places want sealed transcripts sent directly from the instution :/. either that or an original copy . Good luck ....

Btw : the god comment I meant ... just not for the reasons uu think is all ...

[doc]

Ow You also know the Autrian girl Wel, she know a lot of 'shaolin' stuff and she was right about decheng. But i don't want to go more inside this shit because I don't care about that at all....anymore. If you're looking for a KF teacher and You found one that's doing his job good (for you) that You have what You want. You don't need to worry about his life...It's better to take care about your own shit

God knows I have enough of my own to deal with.

As for the Austrian girl, just to add to this, without dragging it out, I had asked Decheng about it years ago. He found it funny, and had denied it.

Well, who knows. Personally, I don't really care. If he has this as part of his life, and it makes him happy, I'm ecstatic for him. He's doing better than I am.

[hanguolaohu]

Vows

Doc,

You're awesome. Thanks a bunch for the vow info, that is so helpful.

Some fuel to the fire: I was told by a monk in the US that De Cheng never lived in the temple. But Doc, didn't you say when you knew De Cheng he was living in the temple at the time?

Hanguo Laohu