Shi De Cheng: wuseng, su jia di tz, real, fake....

[doc]

What "monk"? No reason not to identify him. If someone is going to make a statement of apparent "truth", then he shouldn't be afraid to be identified.

The bullshit gets deeper and deeper all the time. One thing I've noticed about a great deal of these younger guys, is that they have no sense of honor, honesty, integrity, respect, or loyalty. Some of them truely are embarassments to humanity. Oh, here I go again.

I spent time in Decheng's temple room, the one he shared with Su Yuan when Su Yuan was alive. I was invited to stay and live there for a bit, but, there was barely enough room with the two small cot like beds. I kind of thought it to be ridiculous, to share a closet sized room with Decheng and some 80 year old guy. I've slept on floors before, but, the last time I bunked with a group of guys was when I was in the boy scouts. I found it comical. I did have quite a few meals in the temple kitchen area, with Decheng and others, during that time.

Decheng kept that room, along with his new room in the wushu guan, until Yongxin took power. Deyang and the big guy with the beard (can't remember his name; Shi Xing Mu? Ming Wu? ) shared a two room area in the museum area of the temple, also, until YX took over (and put Deyang in jail).

I have pictures of Decheng's (and Deyang's) rooms. In fact, I have a picture of a rather fat me (I had gained over fifty pounds after my accident, and was halfway towards losing it at the time of that photo) with Decheng and Su Yuan, outside of their quarters, in the shared courtyard, southeast temple area near the community kitchen. Decheng keeps that picture in his office now. Wan Heng's room was just to the north of Cecheng's / Su Yuan's. De Yang was in the southwest area of the temple.

Yongxin, from what I was told, rarely, if ever, lived in the temple proper. He had (has) one or two villa's (back then) in the Zengzhou area.

[Maestro]

de cheng doesnt need doc to defend him. de cheng claims to be a "warrior monk" any person who claims this should be able to back it up with the skill and powers acquired through years of hard work. this the same bullshit weve been going through for years with arhat and bodhi about shi yan ming, and whomever else decides to come on here and defend their beloved sifus.

fact of the matter is, ive never really heard anything substantial from any student of any monk, EVER. all you people do is defend them as if they need your help, and when u do defend them its as if your talking fantasy like your masters are boss of the martial arts world, when inreality what would any of you punk ass disciples know about fighting and the combat arts?

its blatantly clear the so called "warrior monks" arent passing on their skills like it was done in the past, otherwise these so called students and disciples would be ruthless warriors with unparralleled physical ability, who could really give a **** about this stupid bullshit that this website is full of

when is the monk political shit gonna end? half of what is written here in regards to these monks is unneccesary bullshit. why dont u people go eat your rice or something and do some drills and start acting like a shaolin disciple should.

[tetsumaru]

While I agree completely with your statement about the monks/masters and their disciples'/students' devotion towards them, maestro, I can not agree with the BS you flow forth from your mouth (err....msg). You certainly enjoy talking about your "combat arts" and Hung kuen and such but you are just the same as them. However, actions speak louder than words. Let's end it there or here or where ever is best for all of us.

[Maestro]

lolo, how am i just the same as them? if i was just the same as them i would be mortal and get upset everytime someone disses wing chun or his precious sifu grados. the fact is 90% of the time moronic insults or statements will go unnoticed by me, its only when someone asks a question about my style and it is met with utter bullshit that i do respond

and, besides the fact, dont get me started tet, i dont need much provokeing to get really nasty, besides the fact that i would rip the head off of most of you shaolin monk students regardless

this infact is a good reason i am willing to go see how these shaolin disciples or whatever they call themselves train like in the city, just to see what they think they are talking shit about. seeing a monk in action is nothing, ive only seen about a million demos, the students are the ones i have a problem with, because they are the ones always opening their mouth about combat, monks and combat, respect, honor etc when they have no idea about any of it, they just think they do.

as for bullshit, its technically called my oppinion, and if u dont like it u can shut the hell up, or get disgraced in the inferno or something...

[tetsumaru]

I want to see your reaction when you walk into one of there schools and watch they way some of them train (make sure you bring a video recorder so you can post it here). In comparision to "combat" training, it's nothing. It's all wushu as far as I am concerned. Except for DeRu that was some training!

You are the same as them because you cling to your idea of your "combat art" being so superior just as they cling to the idea that there teachings from their monks are superior or in some cases "real".

"besides the fact that i would rip the head off of most of you shaolin monk students regardless"

I don't know if that YOU included me....but just to make things clear I am not a "shaolin monk" student...although it would be nice if one of them came to here and opened up something...on second thought probably not.


You can kill me anytime you want in the inferno...just set up a time....once i get rid of my debt I'll start lvling and catch up.....!

Problem with determining who is real and who is not is just like you said in their skills. If whomever it is wants to walk around saying they are this and that and sucker some people into it meanwhile ruining the true meaning of this or that and at the end of the day they can say they feel good about themselves then by all means let them do it. Time will do what it does.

I think this horse is nothing more than a mess of wet jelly like substances.

[Maestro]

"You are the same as them because you cling to your idea of your "combat art" being so superior just as they cling to the idea that there teachings from their monks are superior or in some cases "real""

i dont think my art is superior to any art, neither do i think my training methods are superior. but there is a big difference in; training and believing because of the nature of the act you are training yourself to become a proficient fighter and actually training yourself to become a proficient fighter.

some of the monks themselves know this, others think they know this but really dont. alot of the younger ones just emit a cocky aura because they believe they are quick when ive seen my sifu whos twice their age move with more speed and power then they are capable of. ontop of this, alot of them believe because of whatever else training they have, that they are superior fighters, even though they never fight anyone worth a grain of salt.

these are just some examples. the older monks like de yang, de cheng, etc i wouldnt ever want to meet in a dark alley, but please, like i say about alot of teachers who "people" throw at me, these guys have been training longer then i have been alive, never mind training!!

im just giveing my oppinion, im not and never have stated my way is the best way, im just saying, if your a warrior monk, dont u think you should be proficient in combat? sure they may be able to pack a punch, alot of people can hit hard. sure they are pretty fast, but ive seen alot faster, and im very fast does that mean im at their level? no. and sure they have been training a long time, does that mean they have some supreme knowledge of combat because theyve been training their whole lives and yet have never really fought anyone else at their level?

how many masters fight each other regularly? how many monks spar each other? i brought this up years ago to doc, "do the monks spar, do u spar the monks?" the question was somewhat like that. his answer in response to my question about these "warrior" monks was, "no, they are above that, they have better things to do."

bullshit, if your a warrior monk you do more then just forms, gong training and whatever else your fancy.

this is why alot of people gripe about shaolin applications and call it bullshit, you should never hear that about shaolin, ive never once felt the need to doubt any application ive been taught because ive been taught it live full contact, and ive been taught to apply it this way on my brothers and vice versa

anyway, thats that. and i dont really want to dessimate you in the inferno, it would be to easy. i just said if u wanted to start talking some shit, u can take it up with me in the inferno, because i cant virtually punch u through my monitor lololo

[blooming tianshi lotus]

Ya know Maestro, u have some the craaziest logic on this shit!!.. in fact when I read your posts, it's all but totally in my face that you're fairly full of it..

However ... no-one's perfect , but the point here is that firstly wtMF do you think know about training 'live full contact' ???!! oor what they train out the temple and who's therre doing it??!! in case you hadn't noticed MR. RUAmonk an if not then u gotta be crap, as far as moonks training gongfu at the temple, they 've been sparring out there for quite a while now... the new prc standardised generation that is.. Anyway, this is noot fuedal times Masetro in case you haven't noticed and compared to the boys who haave trained at the temple , aged and passed on what they know to ppl with and without robes ( like your Dechengs and so on ) and more without the smancy govt pacifying titles and status, ( like it also makes them bodhisattva and worthy of the wuseng shmable) .. I don't think u know dick about real life combat!!.. and I also don't think u know dick about monks and buddhism and probably gongfu period. Sorry Maestro but u speaketh extrapolative shit. :/ .....

[onesp1ng]

"you speaketh extrapolative shit..... " what lovely script it is.

[Maestro]

ok blooming, your an idiot for one, you a girl so i dont expect a stupid **** like you to know shit about fighting, and if u think im so full of it come and see me and ill give u a free lesson

[tetsumaru]

if you guys wanna fight...I'll consider buying the plane tickets to the determined location for whomever needs them....lol...both of you entertaint me

speaking of travel, maestro when are you going to NYC?

[Maestro]

i dont know, my pay is shit, the trip would cost me easily 200 just for a day in new york to go see yan mings students flail their arms and legs about in most likely a gay fashion

in other words..im undecided on when or whether or not i will go, atleast not anytime soon, if i had a beter job id go just for the hell of it but i dont have a good job

[arhat]

your pay is shit, lol...

you really need a lot of fertilizer to bloom don't ya.



on the vows, the initial ceremony is called the gui yi fo, fa, sen. Similar to taking refuge...but there is a confucian gong fu family overtone in the case of Shaolin temple- there are 5 stages of vows in the monastic journey- the final stage is called he shang, each is indicated by a series of vows, sometimes with walking and responsorial refrains arround the altar- final series coming to around 250 or so... as mentioned, the language of the texts is very old, and requires Buddhist training to comprehend some of the meanings of the characters, which is why it is usually very difficult to have them translated, even the generational poem stumped some UN translators we used until they tapped into some other resources. Most people when they try and talk about this have no contextual clue, the word indoctrinated and such. You hear some monks use "amitabha" that is used because it is short form of one of these vows, namo amitabha- other vows are sworn to shijiamunifo, damo, guanyin, the temple itself, etc. following the vows there could be a head shaving, with a call out and response- the hair to be thrown away.

everytime we get something translated it requires SYM and a few people to get the meanings right.

[blooming tianshi lotus]

if you guys wanna fight...I'll consider buying the plane tickets to the determined location for whomever needs them....lol...both of you entertaint me

speaking of travel, maestro when are you going to NYC?

A free ticket to the US??... LOL ...... you're on... can u baack that ??...

Ps : anyone open for a school or dojo tour while I'm there??? ... lunch ? chat? tournie spot ?? drill n sweat bruise trade perhaps ??? ... damd straight I'll entertain ya tetsu n if u paying 4 my air ticket 2 then koodos .

[blooming tianshi lotus]

your pay is shit, lol... .......... ( hmm m.... n would that mean he suks martial d*c aswell by any chance ?? :...??....)

Most people when they try and talk about this have no contextual clue, the word indoctrinated and such. You hear some monks use "amitabha" that is used because it is short form of one of these vows, namo amitabha- other vows are sworn to shijiamunifo, damo, guanyin, the temple itself, etc. following the vows there could be a head shaving, with a call out and response- the hair to be thrown away.

everytime we get something translated it requires SYM and a few people to get the meanings right.

and even theey disagree sometimes.. hence all the moli fan monks about.... :/...

a hear yathough .., n I don't know if's eever going to be worth d*ck of much, but that AHay is exaactly why I think the dissertation should be done. !!?? ...?! :/.. ..

[dogchow108]

Ya know Maestro, u have some the craaziest logic on this shit!!.. in fact when I read your posts, it's all but totally in my face that you're fairly full of it..

What the **** are you talking about? which part of "i dont care how long you've been dancing for, if you dont show me you can fight then i dont have reason to think you can" dont you understand?

Maestro might be a cocky prick but im sorry his point is valid. I'd put money on half the people I know who dont even train in a martial art against some of these fluttering pansies and those backstreet boy wanna-be, suckers of satan's cock that train with them.

suck that scaly pecker!

Gotta love Bill Hicks.