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[Shaolin_Disciple_8]

Yeah yeah of course. Thats what im doing since three months. But sometimes..
Do you recommend me to dont have any type of sex during my weeks of treaments if Qi is important to cure my back or it doesnt matter?

[zachsan]

it's always about the sex with you. lol....

[doc]

It waxes and wanes over years. Ice or heat, what's best for muscle injuries. Now, for some reason, physical therapists seem to like ice. When I was getting my neck treated, I had this nazi physical therapist with a german accent applying ice packs to my neck for an hour at a time. Talk about painful. After six months of that, I thought that getting into a hot tub with a bunch of FLW's would have done me better.

Before anyone can advise treatment for a "bad back", you need an MRI and an evaluation by a specialist. Unfortunately, it's been my experience that these specialists ten do to overemphasize the value of back surgery, sometimes, and more than often, with not so good results. My feeling is, surgery on the spine is something that you only do unless absolutely necessary; ie, there is no other viable option. It's amazing how the body can heal itself over time, given the right conditions.

I'm still a proponent of heat application for lumbosacral strain. Ice will do it too. But I will say this, after you get a proper examination to find out what's really wrong, if it's not contraindicated, swimming is the best thing you can do for a "bad back". Get in the water man. It will help heal you.

[Shaolin_Disciple_8]

doc, i went one month ago to see a specialist in sport injuries. He was checking if i had a stress fractuce. What he told me was something meaning that this was not a serious injury. He said I just need rest. He was the guy supposed to recommend me a MRI if i need it but he didnt, he thought that it's not for now. If i am not cured in one month , i have to come back to see him and then he will probably recommend me this famous MRI scan. I have still one month.

About water. I tried but i cant do crowl (my physical therapist told me that) and there is a lot of other moves i cant do so water for me is only swimming on the back and it's boring after one minute. Anyway, water probably doesnt have any curing effect. It will probably have the same effect as massotherapy. I already tried that. The only things lefting on my list is Acupuncture and Rest and maybe a Qi Gong master (if i can find one - if you know one near Ottawa (ontario, canada) tell me) but for the qigong master, we will see. I'll try acupuncture first. and after all that, at the end of the month, i'll look for a MRI scan if it's not cured.

zachsan, it's maybe always about sex but sex is a reality man...

So again: Do you recommend me to dont have any type of sex during my weeks of treaments if Qi is important to cure my back or it doesnt matter?

[zachsan]

Originally posted by ChenZen
zachsan, it's maybe always about sex but sex is a reality man...

lol, and may it always be, for the rest of your life.

Originally posted by ChenZen
Anyway, water probably doesnt have any curing effect.
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The only things lefting on my list is Acupuncture and Rest and maybe a Qi Gong master

sigh. just for the sake of dao and emre's precious time, i'll hold my tongue on this.

good lord, is it difficult.

but anyway, i'm sure doc will correct me if i'm wrong, but i think that he meant that the exercises you can do in water will have a healing effect. water is great in that it provides soft resistance to every movement you make through it, and also makes sure that you do the movements slowly (so, probably, more safely). assuming of course that the "movement" in question does not involve dropping 500 feet from a plane. this is a very simplistic explanation that doc can elaborate upon if he wants... but i don't think he meant that sprinkling water on a bruised arm will heal it.

now holy water, that's a different matter entirely... lol...

[Shaolin_Disciple_8]

Hey i knew doc wasnt meaning "sprinkling water on a bruised arm will heal it". every times i talked about water in my posts i was talking about swimming.

"Anyway, water probably doesnt have any curing effect."
what i mean is swimming doesnt have any curing effect.

I know about slow movements but there are a lot of movements i cant do so it's really boring and like i said it's maybe relaxing the muscles but a curing effect i dont think so. Maybe doc will say something else, lets see...

[daodejing]

As if it needs to be said, in referrence to the "i tried massage therapy, and i'm going to try acupuncture or medical qigong" statement, you need to be seeing a massage therapist or acupunturist once a week for a long time to reap long term benefit from it.

Not enough sex can be unhealthy for a man. Too much sex can be unhealthy for a man. If you're in your twenties and in good reproductive health, more than once a week, but no more than twice a day (some might say not more than once a day).

Go swimming. Do qigong every morning, especially qigong excercises that strengthen the kidneys or act on the kidney channel.

[Shaolin_Disciple_8]

"you need to be seeing a massage therapist or acupunturist once a week for a long time to reap long term benefit from it."

What do you mean by "long term benefit"? When it's cured, it's cured. An acupuncturist told me after 5 treaments (2 treaments/ a week) i should be cured. Why more?

[Shaolin_Disciple_8]

In Qi Gong, that's saying that the horse stance improves the Qi of kidneys and improves the Qi flow up/down. Is it right? If I pratice horse stance, i put my hand in my back and i see there is a little bit of contractions. Is the horse stance good for me? Could practice an horse stance for 5 minutes example every day helps to cure my back?

[doc]

Doing the horse stance will put stress on your lower back. Again, any exercise that stresses torn or injured muscles will only worsen the situation. Get in the water. Walk around it. Do whatever swim exercises you can. And I'm surprised that no one has gotten an MRI on you yet. But, then again, you''re in Canada.

[Shaolin_Disciple_8]

Well.. anyway.. If i have to pass a MRI, i dont want any surgery so the recovery treament will stay "rest" and probably some things like swimming.

[zachsan]

well, an MRI does not necessarily result in back surgery. it's just a diagnostic tool. there are plenty of other treatments that could be found to be effective after you've "passed" the MRI. the important thing is that somebody, somewhere, finds out what's going on with your back.

what i mean is swimming doesnt have any curing effect.

there have been numerous scientific studies conducted that suggest otherwise.

[doc]

The MRI will at least tell you what is injured, if anything at all. It will also be a benchmark, so that if things get worse in the future, a second MRI can be used to gauge the progression. By all means, it does not result in surgery.

Unless you live in Las Vegas....

[Shaolin_Disciple_8]

"Unless you live in Las Vegas...."
lol, yeah i know it's not always resulting in surgery but what are the "plenty of other treatments that could be found to be effective after you've "passed" the MRI"? I'm curious to know. I think rest is the better one...

[zachsan]

there's tons, besides physical therapy exercises (including swimming!!) and other general PT treatment: epidural steroid injections, pain and anti-inflammatory medications, back braces, etc., etc. he might even tell you to do qigong or yoga, depending on the doctor.

you might not have to do any of this. the point is, he's the doctor.